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Sightseek 07-16-2007 01:03 PM
Folk worked Sunday and she is one of the few nominated that didn't run over the weekend.

philcski 07-16-2007 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The Test would be an utter impossiblility.

To make a five furlong cut-back with an A.P. Indy offspring, exiting a very slow paced marathon, would be all the makings for a big upset loss. Where she is at right now, that race is simply way too sharp for her.
Disagree to an extent, while I understand your angle Society Selection (a certified Toga freak) pulled off the CCA run-Test-Alabama, and while SS was a top quality filly I'm positive Rags is better than her (and is competing against a weaker crop, for that matter.)

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Sometimes I wonder about these kind of things.

If I was in Pletcher's position...after the Belmont Stakes win, it would have been very tempting to use some gamesmanship, and say Rags to Riches next race will be the Coaching Club. With the race being 10 furlongs at Belmont, he can basically scare off horses, forcing some decent ones who could have impacted the outcome to not even nominate, let alone not point for the race.

Which ever one of the five other Pletcher horses nominated to this race that runs, will probably have an easier go of it now that some of the other competiton has been scarred off.
Very possible. But then again, she might just have a fever.

SniperSB23 07-16-2007 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Folk worked Sunday and she is one of the few nominated that didn't run over the weekend.
Humble Janet is also nominated. Wouldn't that be something?

SniperSB23 07-16-2007 01:08 PM
Octave, Folk, and Lady Joanne look to be the only three possibles that can pass for a G1 horse. And who knows if any of them will be ready.

Sightseek 07-16-2007 01:11 PM
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Octave, Folk, and Lady Joanne look to be the only three possibles that can pass for a G1 horse. And who knows if any of them will be ready.
I wonder if Pletcher would be real gutsy and enter Panty Raid? Although she hasn't posted a work since the American.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-16-2007 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
Disagree to an extent, while I understand your angle Society Selection (a certified Toga freak) pulled off the CCA run-Test-Alabama, and while SS was a top quality filly I'm positive Rags is better than her (and is competing against a weaker crop, for that matter.)

Society Selection wasn't coming out of a race like the monumentally slow paced Belmont Stakes, and she is FAR better suited for sprint races than Rags to Riches.

SS was out of the brilliant sprinting dam Love That Jazz (a half to Sea of Secrets), and I believe she won her debut going 5 furlongs at Saratoga.

Rags To Riches is simply not bred to be a sprinter, and acts nothing like a spritner. I said she'd win the Kentucky Oaks after her 7 furlongs MSW win because I felt she looked pretty nice winning that race, and it was painfully obvious she would improve her form tremendously with more ground to work with.

I would bet against her with unbridled enthusiasm if she did run in the Test. Which obviously won't happen.

philcski 07-16-2007 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Society Selection wasn't coming out of a race like the monumentally slow paced Belmont Stakes, and she is FAR better suited for sprint races than Rags to Riches.

SS was out of the brilliant sprinting dam Love That Jazz (a half to Sea of Secrets), and I believe she won her debut going 5 furlongs at Saratoga.

Rags To Riches is simply not bred to be a sprinter, and acts nothing like a spritner. I said she'd win the Kentucky Oaks after her 7 furlongs MSW win because I felt she looked pretty nice winning that race, and it was painfully obvious she would improve her form tremendously with more ground to work with.

I would bet against her with unbridled enthusiasm if she did run in the Test. Which obviously won't happen.
Agree completely that SS was much better bred for 7f than Rags, and she did win going short at 2 at Saratoga (I was there that day, she was 31-1 and charged down the center of the track through the slop), but the truth is she might be good enough to win outside of her optimal distance. She won the Las Virgennes at a mile already this year.

Sightseek 07-16-2007 01:24 PM
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The rest of your post was dead on, and I believe SS also won the one turn Comely earlier on.

This is the part of your post that intrigues me. Unbridled enthusiasm? Who logged in under your name and is now posting as DrugS?
He has been showing his poetic side lately.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-16-2007 01:45 PM
Ever since I came back from the dead.

10 pnt move up 07-16-2007 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Sometimes I wonder about these kind of things.

If I was in Pletcher's position...after the Belmont Stakes win, it would have been very tempting to use some gamesmanship, and say Rags to Riches next race will be the Coaching Club. With the race being 10 furlongs at Belmont, he can basically scare off horses, forcing some decent ones who could have impacted the outcome to not even nominate, let alone not point for the race.

Which ever one of the five other Pletcher horses nominated to this race that runs, will probably have an easier go of it now that some of the other competiton has been scarred off.
Insert Frankel for pletcher and its a common ploy

The Indomitable DrugS 07-16-2007 04:26 PM
Frankel is as slick as they come.

Alan07 07-16-2007 07:24 PM
Even though Rags to Riches has been withdrawn from the Coach Club American Oaks, ESPN will not be covering Saturday's Grade II, $300,000 San Diego Handicap at Del Mar.

letswastemoney 07-16-2007 11:40 PM
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Even though Rags to Riches has been withdrawn from the Coach Club American Oaks, ESPN will not be covering Saturday's Grade II, $300,000 San Diego Handicap at Del Mar.
Are you sure? Del Mar's website is saying they will cover it live.

Slewbopper 07-17-2007 04:01 AM
How about the 1 1/8 Go For Wand (28th) against older which is the day before the Jim Dandy? Would give her three weeks til the 'Bama and four til the Travers. The GFW might come up pretty soft with the Del Hcp having just been run on Saturday.


Aw, what the hell, put her in the Whitney on Dandy day.


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