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ateamstupid 07-05-2007 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
not really, not as bad as this group looked. in most years a month before the derby there are several horses who have solid 100 BSF credentials. This year if your horse was in the mid nineties, you had a shot. Street Sense had his big juvenile number but there were questions surrounding him.
I think it was a very common opinion a month before this derby that the crop looked weak. What needs to be said is that it's pointless to make a judgement at that point in time given how things can unfold.
Nah, I'm telling you, it's a cyclical thing. Every April, everyone's convinced that it's a terrible crop of three-year-olds and then, a few months later, no one's on that train anymore.

ArlJim78 07-05-2007 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Nah, I'm telling you, it's a cyclical thing. Every April, everyone's convinced that it's a terrible crop of three-year-olds and then, a few months later, no one's on that train anymore.
yes that's true but all i'm saying is that this year I think the cycle was particularly down early. more than usual. I mean it looked bleak.

then at the end of this year it could have yet another complexion, with perhaps new stars that are having there praises sung.

all i can say for this year is thank god for the three year olds.

philcski 07-05-2007 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Nah, I'm telling you, it's a cyclical thing. Every April, everyone's convinced that it's a terrible crop of three-year-olds and then, a few months later, no one's on that train anymore.
2005 and last year was pretty bad. Let's be honest here, in 2005, FLOWER ALLEY was much the best 3YO the second half of the season... that ain't sayin' much. Last year, outside of Bernardini and maybe Bluegrass Cat, you had a bunch of plugs that really were G3 types masquerading in G1's.

This group is CLEARLY better than the last two.

ARyan 07-05-2007 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
2005 and last year was pretty bad. Let's be honest here, in 2005, FLOWER ALLEY was much the best 3YO the second half of the season... that ain't sayin' much. Last year, outside of Bernardini and maybe Bluegrass Cat, you had a bunch of plugs that really were G3 types masquerading in G1's.

This group is CLEARLY better than the last two.
Are you throwing Barbaro into that group of Plugs? I think he was much more then a G3 type...I am just thinking you overlooked him...

Danzig 07-05-2007 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
2005 and last year was pretty bad. Let's be honest here, in 2005, FLOWER ALLEY was much the best 3YO the second half of the season... that ain't sayin' much. Last year, outside of Bernardini and maybe Bluegrass Cat, you had a bunch of plugs that really were G3 types masquerading in G1's.

This group is CLEARLY better than the last two.
i disagree. in the weeks leading up to the derby, last years crop and the potential field was spoken of as one of the deepest in years. nothing happened in the months after to make me change my mind. it took invasor to keep a three year old from winning the classic.

philcski 07-05-2007 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i disagree. in the weeks leading up to the derby, last years crop and the potential field was spoken of as one of the deepest in years. nothing happened in the months after to make me change my mind. it took invasor to keep a three year old from winning the classic.
Yes, Bernardini was definitely a quality animal but who was behind him? Nothing.

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Originally Posted by ARyan
Are you throwing Barbaro into that group of Plugs? I think he was much more then a G3 type...I am just thinking you overlooked him...
No, of course not. I'm speaking from the midpoint of the 3YO season (the Dwyer) on.

ateamstupid 07-05-2007 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i disagree. in the weeks leading up to the derby, last years crop and the potential field was spoken of as one of the deepest in years. nothing happened in the months after to make me change my mind. it took invasor to keep a three year old from winning the classic.
I don't remember that. But then again, I wasn't here last year.

Danzig 07-05-2007 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I don't remember that. But then again, I wasn't here last year.

no, not here specifically. writers, trainers, etc.

Left Bank 07-05-2007 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
This crop of 3 year olds has proven to be very strong and if any of them stick around next year they will dominate the older crap division.
The older "Crap"division.:D :D :D

ateamstupid 07-05-2007 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
no, not here specifically. writers, trainers, etc.
I'm talking about the message board rabble.

horseofcourse 07-05-2007 03:16 PM
AGS still has yet to win beyond 8.5f or am I mistaken here?? He's proven he can alternate wins with Nobiz which Scat Daddy did as well. He ran a nice one turn race on a fast Belmont track. I'm far from sold on him. He's a good horse.

Cannon Shell 07-05-2007 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
The older "Crap"division.:D :D :D
Can you think of a better name? (that wont get the ***** treatment?)

Riot 07-05-2007 06:00 PM
Don't forget we recently came off three bad years of Mare Reproductive Loss Syndrome, biggest impact was the foal crop of 2001. Anybody know where to look up numbers for foals born in the last seven years?

Norfolk 07-05-2007 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
Got a Beyer for Funny Cide?
98

Travis Stone 07-05-2007 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by LARHAGE
Nobiz is nothing but a plodding, no heart plug. I'm sick of all his excuses, it's always something, the only consistency this horse has shown is he is consistently slow, and he needs the stars alligned just right to run a decent race. I'm done with him.
I think you are spot-on here. This horse wasn't good enough to handle Scat Daddy (we know how good he is), and each and every start comes with an excuse. This time it's the fact he was off the pace. I think he's exposed. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll be wrong with my money each and every time.

ArlJim78 07-05-2007 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I think you are spot-on here. This horse wasn't good enough to handle Scat Daddy (we know how good he is), and each and every start comes with an excuse. This time it's the fact he was off the pace. I think he's exposed. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll be wrong with my money each and every time.
yeah, he exposes the same performance in every race. He's a big onepaced horse who is going to run a mid nineties beyer every time. As the rest of the crop develops and moves forward he is being left behind.

Left Bank 07-06-2007 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Can you think of a better name? (that wont get the ***** treatment?)
No,I like yours!:D :D

Mortimer 07-08-2007 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ARyan
Are you throwing Barbaro into that group of Plugs? I think he was much more then a G3 type...I am just thinking you overlooked him...
MAESTRO!





Fools would remain fools without your misdirection.





Thank you mos' honobur King of Junger.

Mortimer 07-08-2007 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I don't remember that. But then again, I wasn't here last year.


And how is this year different?


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