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Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Well, if it is too late, then what is the point of all the environmental BS? We're already fukked! And all the environmental stuff is completely and entirely irrational!

Eat. Drink. Be Merry. For tomorrow we die.

Because some of us think future generations are worth the effort. Even those of us who haven't created any of our own. ;)

I think, in a funny way, it's why I was so affected by the final scene in "Angel," which ended with our heroes on their way into a hopeless battle, because it was still the right thing to do. I can be such a sap. :)

(Now, there's a test to see how devoted Somer is to the Whedonverse... will he sniff out this carefully hidden reference to one of his favorite shows... tucked away in a global warming thread? tee hee)

By the way, Danzig; fascinating, invigorating discussion for a Sunday morning- thank you! I could spend all day here, but I have to do laundry, bleah.

(In cold water; saves energy- tip for the day. :) My detergent is also vegetable-, not petroleum-based, but that's harder to find outside a city.)

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

http://www.suntimes.com/news/othervi...REF30b.article

Time for Mr Gore to answer the critics, before You buy those Live Earth tickets! Now see...that was nice:)

Wow Timm!
Look at what your link created! All this Sunday morning reading is head spinning, and "truth" spinning.
Global warming...believe whatever you want. For sure it's Gore's fault for calling attention to it. Why did the signators of the Kyoto accord sign?
Hmmm, I suppose there's no problem with ozone over Antarctica either, naw, there's no such thing, no PCB's. It's an "invention" of the liberals.
And look at how good those bald eagles are doing! DDT was really not the problem. It was all the popcorn they were eating. So, now that we've gotten the popcorn under control, yup! They are no longer endangered or threatened.
So, have the past two years been warmer than all the previous hundred?
Does excessive CO2 in the atmosphere create a confining "blanket" for trapping heat?
If so, it must be completely Gore's fault for contributing to it. Or calling attention to it. Hmmm...what was the Nobel prize for?
And since I took the time to read your stuff, which I truly thank you for cause I had a few giggles, such entertainment...read this:
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot...impeached.html

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

gore was nominated for the nobel, he hasn't won it. of course rush limbaugh was also nominated, which just goes to show how meaningful that award must be!

"Any social science, history, philosophy, law, and theology professor, judge, or legislator in any country (plus a few others) can nominate anyone for a Nobel Peace Prize (past nominees, just in 1901-1951, included Hitler, Stalin, and Molotov).

Yes the earth has increased .3 - .5 degrees in the last 100 years, but absolutely 0 in the last 40 years.

that stat tho might need some checking, not sure how valid the source is...

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Danzig, creationism isn't a science; it's a religious belief. I wouldn't use that as a comparison. ;) Evolution is a Theory, yes, but it's a Theory on the level of gravity, which is also a Theory.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...warming05.html

Referring to Dr. Gray; he's also very dismissive of advances in meteorological research, specifically using computer-generated models, because it's dried up his research grants. Again, not to say he doesn't have an agenda... ;) And remember, he's a hurricane specialist; not a climate specialist.

http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archiv...ray_revis.html

First post:

<<August 09, 2006

In recent years, Colorado State University's Bill Gray has become one of the most visible critics of climate scientists who warn about the consequences of increased greenhouse gas emissions, and a warming world.

Look no further than a recently published, enlightening article in the Washington Post on climate change critics. It presents, on the whole, a somewhat sympathetic view of Gray.

As a science writer, I have respect for Gray's work in predicting hurricane season activity, and he is certainly one of the world's most famous hurricane scientists. But, golly, he sure doesn't like the view that humans might be inducing climate change. I wrote about his vitriol here, and it also came up in an interview I did with Jeff Masters. Gray's views on climate science have not been well received by practicing scientists.

The point Jeff made is that Gray has lost favor with the scientific community not because of his science, but because he is making strong statements without backing them up with evidence. This view has been confirmed by Texas A&M's Andrew Dessler, a climate scientist who recently spoke to Gray at a scientific meeting:

After arguing with him for a few minutes, it became clear that Bill Gray has no scientific theory of his own *why* the water vapor feedback is negative, and no data to support his non-theory. He has no manuscript describing his non-theory and no plans to attempt to publish it.

After I pointed out all of the evidence supporting a positive feedback, he looked confused and finally said, "OK, maybe the feedback isn't negative, maybe it's neutral. I'll give you that." I quickly concluded that he has no idea what he's talking about. I wish everyone that considers him credible could have witnessed this exchange.

I might also add that Gray made two appearances at this year's hurricane conference at the National Hurricane Conference that were handled, and probably sponsored, by Tech Central Station. This is an important detail because the Web site's funding has been linked to Exxon, among others, in this article and by other sources.

I'd also like to add that this post in no way should be construed as an attack on Gray's annual hurricane predictions, nor his able colleague Phil Klotzbach, who now does a majority of the forecasting work.>>

That's the same National Hurricane Conference that you cite in your earlier posts, isn't it, Danzig? ;)

Next post: the 17,000 scientists:

Genuine Risk,
Though "evolution" is called a theory, developmental biology isn't.
Someone said that science must be observable and replicable. No arguement with that.
Early studies involving "primordial soup" (and I'll need to find the research to give the link) showed that basic protien chains (previral) could be created in a lab.
If you're interested, here's a book that might get you started. Note Dawkin's take on it.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seven-Clues-...dp/0521398282/

Are you saying that virus is non-living?

Here's something (off the topic of "global warming" and Gore, but interesting)
It's about the creation of a new living organism from a previously existing one, synthetic life. Genome replacement. This is just the beginning.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0628232413.htm

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Are you saying that virus is non-living?

Here's an early experiment by Dr Miller (1953) that has been followed.
Amino acids can become protiens, no? Protiens can become genetic structures, no? Genetic structure can become viruses, no? Viruses are not alive???
http://www.accessexcellence.org/WN/S...dial_soup.html

That was 1953.
Read the previous link.

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

http://www.suntimes.com/news/othervi...REF30b.article

Time for Mr Gore to answer the critics, before You buy those Live Earth tickets! Now see...that was nice:)

Timm,
Here's your answer in Gore's words. Sorry I took it off topic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/01/op...ewanted=1&_r=1

ps, I haven't vetted his claims.