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Merlinsky 05-30-2007 05:03 PM

Just a thought but if they think they can beat Curlin, and they think Curlin has a serious chance of winning the Belmont, they really need to go. Otherwise there's a serious likelihood of losing the 3yo Eclipse. Now if they're willing to risk that, fine, I'm not judging. If they think they've got a better chance at waiting until the Classic that's cool and a win there'll get them 3yo honors not to mention HOY.

Curlin could pick up other races without facing SS before the BCC so you can't count on the opportunity before then. Tafel was concerned about picking up the Juvenile championship, worrying that they'd say the 10 lengths in the BCJ was a fluke. I'd bet he's thinking about finding a way to balance what's best for the horse and how to get the Eclipse. That may or may not be the Belmont. I'm curious as to what course he thinks will get the job done.

estreetposse 05-30-2007 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Do you guys think it was the poly to dirt that helps him run so well at Churchill, or just that he loves Churchill and has had very good setups in each?


Wanna know what I think?:D

















Actually see a better spot at CD myself...he is proven there and the distance probably will be better as well. What the hell...take on the old guys!!



Gotta Go!!

NTamm1215 05-30-2007 06:17 PM

I know that two of Pletcher's "handicap" horses, Magna Graduate and Master Command are pointing to the race. I may be in the minority of people here who think that Master Command can very easily beat Street Sense should there not be a ton of early speed. I'd still like to see the race and find out though if they're not going to the Belmont.

NT

Coach Pants 05-30-2007 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I know that two of Pletcher's "handicap" horses, Magna Graduate and Master Command are pointing to the race. I may be in the minority of people here who think that Master Command can very easily beat Street Sense should there not be a ton of early speed. I'd still like to see the race and find out though if they're not going to the Belmont.

NT

Maybe if Pletcher cut their cock and balls off and entered them as mares. His record with the boys is less than stellar.

estreetposse 05-30-2007 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Maybe if Pletcher cut their cock and balls off and entered them as mares. His record with the boys is less than stellar.


What...no avatar for this one?:)

estreetposse 05-30-2007 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Estreet, what makes you think the distance of the Stephan Foster will be better for Street Sense than the Belmont?


Maybe it won't be, buddy ol' pal, just thought a little drop in distance at a track he does well at might help out rather than running 1 1/2 at a track he' s never seen & a distance that he'll most likely never...ever...see in his probable shortened career.

King Glorious 05-30-2007 09:50 PM

Plus, he'd get a ton of weight from the older horses in the Foster. I think because of the weight factor, the extra week, the fact that it's at Churchill, and the fact that there isn't much in the older horse division to scare u outside of Invasor........the Foster would be the perfect spot. I think that if Curlin were to win the Belmont and Street Sense beat older in a grade one, it would put Street Sense in the lead at this point for top 3yo honors. The purse is not bad either and it's at a distance that we know he can handle on a track that we know he likes as opposed to two unknowns in the Belmont.

estreetposse 05-31-2007 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I see it's going to be like that. Okay. I tried.


Sorry to be a piss pot, thought you were gonna start things up again even after I agreed with you(especially about SS!!) I think running him back at CD and then on to Monmouth would be a good route for his connections to take.

I also agree with what KG says.

slotdirt 05-31-2007 08:12 AM

I'm sorry, I must be in the minority here, but I'm still chuckling at the thought of Street Sense heading to the Stephen Foster to take on older horses.

ArlJim78 05-31-2007 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I'm sorry, I must be in the minority here, but I'm still chuckling at the thought of Street Sense heading to the Stephen Foster to take on older horses.

Beside the fact that it would be an unusual move for a three year old, what is so funny about it? Would Street Sense be horribly outclassed by Master Command or Magna Graduate? I'm pretty sure he would have a nice weight break. I guess I don't get what is so funny about it. Even though I know he will not run in the race I'm reasonably confident that under the circumstances he wouldn't have much trouble winning it.

slotdirt 05-31-2007 08:46 AM

I guess I am the only one who thinks that there's a huge difference between a 3YO in June of his 3YO season and an older horse regardless of weight.

Cajungator26 05-31-2007 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I guess I am the only one who thinks that there's a huge difference between a 3YO in June of his 3YO season and an older horse regardless of weight.

I think it depends on which older horse we're talking about...

slotdirt 05-31-2007 08:50 AM

Do you guys really think Street Sense is that good that he'll whoop up on whatever handicap horses show up for the Stephen Foster on June 16th? Unless it's some serious chumps, I wouldn't bet a nickel on him to be in the money. Master Command and Magna Graduate are two pretty good horses and at this point in their respective careers, would both have to be favored over Street Sense on a fair track.

ArlJim78 05-31-2007 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
I guess I am the only one who thinks that there's a huge difference between a 3YO in June of his 3YO season and an older horse regardless of weight.

in general yes, but aren't we comparing an exceptional 3yo against some rather ho-hum older horses? I mean if you're talking about stand-out classy older horse like Invasor, sure it would be folly to engage him at this point. But these others, to me they're just the best of what's currently around but not any monsters.

ArlJim78 05-31-2007 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Do you guys really think Street Sense is that good that he'll whoop up on whatever handicap horses show up for the Stephen Foster on June 16th? Unless it's some serious chumps, I wouldn't bet a nickel on him to be in the money. Master Command and Magna Graduate are two pretty good horses and at this point in their respective careers, would both have to be favored over Street Sense on a fair track.

Not saying for sure he would whoop up on them, but he'd be competitive and frankly I think he might be the favorite.

slotdirt 05-31-2007 09:01 AM

Betting favorite? He surely would be, absolutely.

philcski 05-31-2007 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Betting favorite? He surely would be, absolutely.

Hypothetically speaking, if he were to go off as the favorite (which I'd agree he would be), why is it such a preposterous idea?

Several 3YO's have won the Met Mile against elders, don't know about the Foster w/ 3YO's but I think it's not the craziest thought if they decide the Belmont isn't the right spot.

robfla 05-31-2007 09:49 AM

Street Sense to skip Belmont
 
http://www.drf.com/news/article/85392.html

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Trainer Carl Nafzger announced at a Thursday morning press conference at Churchill Downs that Street Sense would pass the June 9 Belmont Stakes and instead be pointed for the Travers Stakes at Saratoga, with either the Jim Dandy or Haskell serving as a possible prep race.

Nafzger said that he and Street Sense's owner, Jim Tafel, made the decision jointly after a two-hour discussion Wednesday night.


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