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10 pnt move up 04-19-2007 05:52 PM

I dont get why Keeneland is so slow, Hollywood played like a fair surface last year on the days I played, its like Keeneland is so far to the extreme.

King Glorious 04-19-2007 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
I don't think they will lose ALOT of business because of the purses. Although, it is going to be nothing but turf horses on the grounds. It's amazing the allowance races on the poly are 80% turf horses. As Andy Beyer said 'they are penalizing horses for being fast'.

Which is in direct conflict of the way they are breeding them. Doesn't seem to make much sense to breed for speed and then put in anti-speed tracks. But then again, this sport loves to do whatever it can to shoot itself in the foot.

Cannon Shell 04-19-2007 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
I dont get why Keeneland is so slow, Hollywood played like a fair surface last year on the days I played, its like Keeneland is so far to the extreme.

Keeneland was not slow today

10 pnt move up 04-19-2007 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Keeneland was not slow today

I should say the shape of the race, not always final time wise

Pedigree Ann 04-20-2007 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
I It's amazing the allowance races on the poly are 80% turf horses. As Andy Beyer said 'they are penalizing horses for being fast'.

NO! they are penalizing horses for being poorly conditioned. Horses on or near the lead have run well (look at Ball Four and Silent Name) but they will wilt if they are lacking in fitness. Or can compensate by being bred to run 12f (like a turf horse).

Cajungator26 04-20-2007 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
NO! they are penalizing horses for being poorly conditioned. Horses on or near the lead have run well (look at Ball Four and Silent Name) but they will wilt if they are lacking in fitness. Or can compensate by being bred to run 12f (like a turf horse).

I don't buy that.

Zoe 04-20-2007 09:00 PM

Just my view, but Poly isn't "penalizing horses for being fast", its simply making them use their speed differently. Instead of blazing early fractions there are now blazing late fractions. Beyer complains that no speed horses can win at Keeneland while failing to point out that Keeneland's dirt course was in an opposite sense extremely unfair to closers or even stalkers most of the time and had a ridiculous rail bias in which many lesser "speed horses" beat more talented horses who happened to be closers.
Of course, I'm not a bettor really, just a fan, and it doesn't hurt my pocketbook one way or the other. So my two cents is just that...two cents.


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