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brianwspencer 04-17-2007 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by whodey17
1) Street Sense
2) Great Hunter
3) Hard Spun
4) No Biz
5) Scat Daddy
6) Circular Quay
7) Curlin
8) Dominican
9) Stormello
10) Zanjero
11) Liquidity
12) Teuffelsburg
13) Any Given Saturday
14) Cowtown Cat
15) King Of The Roxy
16) Sam P
17) Officer Rocket
18) XChanger
19) Storm In May
20) Sightseeing
You're not serious, right?

Danzig 04-17-2007 08:20 PM
why would a horse who places in a graded race deserve to be in the derby ahead of a horse who WINS a graded race??? if you PLACE in a couple, that means more than winning?? i think that's bs.

Danzig 04-17-2007 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Linny
I read a post on another board about someone regretting Tiago keeping Chelokee out. What a crock. Both trainers did the same thing. The put all their eggs in one basket by using ONE GRADED START to attempt to earn their way in. Tiago was lucky in that his connections chose a pretty weak race. Chelokee had to face a proven G1 colt like Scat Daddy and could do no better than third. Maybe the should have gone to Cali or the Lane's End, they didn't.

I tend to think that a point system where graded earnings at 3 are worth more than those at 2 and where routes count for more than sprints. That said, it looks like this year, pretty much " the right 20" will line up.
don't forget smarty jones--talk about putting your eggs in one basket. his ark derby was his ONLY graded race. so by some folks logic, he should have been excluded?! howl utterly preposterous!!

the rules are the same for everyone leading up to the derby. your horse doesn't get enough graded $--tough. he does? great. you hit the jackpot.

Danzig 04-17-2007 08:25 PM
sooo..

who was the last horse who was excluded due to earnings who turned out to be something later in the year, against the 'stars' of his crop?? i'm not talking older, i mean a three year old, who missed the derby, but came out and won the midsummer classics, or in the fall, and showed he was much the best?

Cajungator26 04-17-2007 08:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig
sooo..

who was the last horse who was excluded due to earnings who turned out to be something later in the year, against the 'stars' of his crop?? i'm not talking older, i mean a three year old, who missed the derby, but came out and won the midsummer classics, or in the fall, and showed he was much the best?
Sunriver? LMAO

My memory sucks. :o

Sightseek 04-17-2007 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig
sooo..

who was the last horse who was excluded due to earnings who turned out to be something later in the year, against the 'stars' of his crop?? i'm not talking older, i mean a three year old, who missed the derby, but came out and won the midsummer classics, or in the fall, and showed he was much the best?
Rock Hard Ten, didn't win any midsummer classics as he stayed in California, but he did OK out there.

Cajungator26 04-17-2007 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Rock Hard Ten
Yeah, your answer is definitely better than mine. LOL

Danzig 04-17-2007 08:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sightseek
Rock Hard Ten, didn't win any midsummer classics as he stayed in California, but he did OK out there.
rock hard ten was much the best of his crop????

and he ran in the belmont, didn't he?

i'm talking about one of these on the cusp of the derby horses, who CAN'T run, but comes out and kicks butt over the derby runners later, or over the winner--er, this would have to be ancient history, derby winners don't tend to run past june anymore!

hi_im_god 04-17-2007 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by whodey17
1) Street Sense
2) Great Hunter
3) Hard Spun
4) No Biz
5) Scat Daddy
6) Circular Quay
7) Curlin
8) Dominican
9) Stormello
10) Zanjero
11) Liquidity
12) Teuffelsburg
13) Any Given Saturday
14) Cowtown Cat
15) King Of The Roxy
16) Sam P
17) Officer Rocket
18) XChanger
19) Storm In May
20) Sightseeing
t-burg? does he get to ride in a van?

you lost me there. i would have thrown some fillies in before i mentioned that one.

sorry. the position is still open.

Danzig 04-17-2007 08:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_im_god
t-burg? does he get to ride in a van?

you lost me there. i would have thrown some fillies in before i mentioned that one.

sorry. the position is still open.
he's going to drive the ambulance, that way he'll stay in the same zip code.

Sightseek 04-17-2007 08:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah he won the Swaps I think, was drowned in the Haskell and later won the Malibu. He was okay, but I doubt he was going to be in Smarty's area code Derby day, since he was a huge question mark outside of Cali.
I wasn't a real big fan, but those that were theorized that as a older more mature Rock Hard Ten he would have won outside of CA, particularly the Breeder's Cup Classic.

You can say that we know RHT became a better horse with maturity...you can't guarantee that with Smarty. Through the Triple Crown though, no doubt - Smarty ruled.

Sightseek 04-17-2007 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig
rock hard ten was much the best of his crop????

and he ran in the belmont, didn't he?

i'm talking about one of these on the cusp of the derby horses, who CAN'T run, but comes out and kicks butt over the derby runners later, or over the winner--er, this would have to be ancient history, derby winners don't tend to run past june anymore!
Sorry, I didn't think your question asked for who ended up being the best of the crop, but what horse got left out of the Derby and ended up being one of the nicer horses in the crop. (defeating the 'stars')

hi_im_god 04-17-2007 08:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sightseek
Sorry, I didn't think your question asked for who ended up being the best of the crop, but what horse got left out of the Derby and ended up being one of the nicer horses in the crop. (defeating the 'stars')
pro prado and song of the sword made the derby field. anyone remember the other big name besides rock hard x that was excluded that year?

Danzig 04-17-2007 08:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sightseek
Sorry, I didn't think your question asked for who ended up being the best of the crop, but what horse got left out of the Derby and ended up being one of the nicer horses in the crop. (defeating the 'stars')
i just was wondering if anyone could think of a horse who got left out, but made up for it later. you know, a nyah nyah horse! lol

Danzig 04-17-2007 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_im_god
pro prado and song of the sword made the derby field. anyone remember the other big name besides rock hard x that was excluded that year?
pro prado at least didn't descend quite as far down the ranks as ....oh, danthebluegrassman for instance...

blackthroatedwind 04-17-2007 08:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_im_god
t-burg? does he get to ride in a van?

you lost me there. i would have thrown some fillies in before i mentioned that one.

sorry. the position is still open.

I feel it's important for God to be selective. Keep up the good work.

Danzig 04-17-2007 08:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I feel it's important for God to be selective. Keep up the good work.
how very evolutionary!


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