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PPerfectfan 04-05-2007 02:15 PM
Acutally the best thing to put in his ears for the noise is tampons. Tha way there is a string incase they get to far down in the ear.It works for my barrel horses that go crazy in indoor arenas. And alot of ropers use them for there horses at the National Finals. Try having a spooky horse at the NRF in Vegas. If it can work for them its gotta work for NoBiz. The NRF crowd is just about like the Derby crowd.

Cajungator26 04-05-2007 02:18 PM
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Acutally the best thing to put in his ears for the noise is tampons. Tha way there is a string incase they get to far down in the ear.It works for my barrel horses that go crazy in indoor arenas. And alot of ropers use them for there horses at the National Finals. Try having a spooky horse at the NRF in Vegas. If it can work for them its gotta work for NoBiz. The NRF crowd is just about like the Derby crowd.
I did the same thing with my horse a few times...

Occasionally, the string hanging out can bother a horse with sensitive ears, though.

brianwspencer 04-05-2007 02:27 PM
Any truth to the rumors I've been reading today that Tagg is planning on running Nobiz back in the Excelsior because "everyone knows that a 20 length blowout win does nothing for a horse's foundation?"

ARyan 04-05-2007 02:48 PM
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I hate to break up this Nobiz lovefest, but what exactly has he done on the track that makes you believe A) he has such incredible talent and that B) he is not just a headcase who ran away from a couple of bad fields and caught everyone's attention.

On paper he just doesn't compare to Any Given Saturday. Nobiz spun his wheels last time, playing around the whole way and came up short in a race where they weren't exactly flying home. Now Barclay Tagg, usually as traditional a horseman as they come is trying everything but the kitchen sink to straighten out this guy's myriad problems.

If I'm proven wrong then so be it, but as of right now Nobiz has not done anything on the track that leads me to believe he is faster than Any Given Saturday or a few others from this year's crop.

NT
Oh, how I long for the crow to meet you.

Cajungator26 04-05-2007 03:04 PM
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blackthroatedwind 04-05-2007 03:06 PM
I agree with NTamm. Nobiz is a very nice horse, and certainly still on a relatively short list of actual Derby contenders, but so far he has not lived up to the hype, and has yet to run a fast race. How long can we keep blaming his bad habits?

While obviously he can win Saturday, I do not feel he is as good as Any Given Saturday, and I also expect Summer Doldrums to put in a very good effort.

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 03:08 PM
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While obviously he can win Saturday, I do not feel he is as good as Any Given Saturday, and I also expect Summer Doldrums to put in a very good effort.
I think that is your tri right there. Not going to pay much, but I think that is what the tri is going to be.

Cajungator26 04-05-2007 03:09 PM
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I think that is your tri right there. Not going to pay much, but I think that is what the tri is going to be.
Don't forget about Reptilian Smarts. ;)

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 03:10 PM
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Don't forget about Reptilian Smarts. ;)
I think a mile and an eigth is too far for him.

NTamm1215 04-05-2007 03:19 PM
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Oh, how I long for the crow to meet you.
Luckily, I'm not terribly afraid of making a poor prediction when it comes to horse racing- I've actually grown rather accustomed to it. Unfortunately, all of the Nobiz supporters have offered no argument to substantiate why he will beat Any Given Saturday. That, really, is all I was looking for.

NT

brianwspencer 04-05-2007 03:21 PM
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Luckily, I'm not terribly afraid of making a poor prediction when it comes to horse racing- I've actually grown rather accustomed to it. Unfortunately, all of the Nobiz supporters have offered no argument to substantiate why he will beat Any Given Saturday. That, really, is all I was looking for.

NT
I'm with you on this one. I don't think it's an outlandish prediction to make as AGS has actual races that we can point to in predicting that he will perform better on Saturday. Nobiz has a few decent races and lots of "potential," well, now potential and q-tips.

NTamm1215 04-05-2007 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I agree with NTamm. Nobiz is a very nice horse, and certainly still on a relatively short list of actual Derby contenders, but so far he has not lived up to the hype, and has yet to run a fast race. How long can we keep blaming his bad habits?

While obviously he can win Saturday, I do not feel he is as good as Any Given Saturday, and I also expect Summer Doldrums to put in a very good effort.
Obviously we see the main contenders the same way, so what I'm wondering is what you think the blinkers will do to Nobiz as far as the pace. Do you think they focus him so much in the early going that he pulls Cornelio all the way up to the lead. I ask because since AGS spent half the Kentucky Jockey Club pulling Bejarano up to the lead he has rated very nicely in his last two, working out great stalking trips. I'm just wondering if a lot of the knowledgeable people here think the blinkers will relax Nobiz a lot or what.

NT

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 03:25 PM
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I'm with you on this one. I don't think it's an outlandish prediction to make as AGS has actual races that we can point to in predicting that he will perform better on Saturday. Nobiz has a few decent races and lots of "potential," well, now potential and q-tips.

Well, he has won at the distance in a decent (not great but decent) time and over the same track. AGS has not run the distance yet.

brianwspencer 04-05-2007 03:30 PM
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Well, he has won at the distance in a decent (not great but decent) time and over the same track. AGS has not run the distance yet.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be shocked in any way if Nobiz wins, I just would be hesitant given the likely price.

Buffymommy 04-05-2007 03:34 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be shocked in any way if Nobiz wins, I just would be hesitant given the likely price.

Didn't say I was going to bet the race. Just saying that I think NoBiz is going to win. I do think the sleeper in the race is Summer Doldrums.

I won't be shocked if AGS wins though.

easy goer 04-05-2007 03:51 PM
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Obviously we see the main contenders the same way, so what I'm wondering is what you think the blinkers will do to Nobiz as far as the pace. Do you think they focus him so much in the early going that he pulls Cornelio all the way up to the lead. I ask because since AGS spent half the Kentucky Jockey Club pulling Bejarano up to the lead he has rated very nicely in his last two, working out great stalking trips. I'm just wondering if a lot of the knowledgeable people here think the blinkers will relax Nobiz a lot or what.

NT
Take a look at the Remsen where Nobiz won. He finished along the rail and did not appear to lug in or out or do anything like that. Could the rail be a guide for him? If so maybe he doesnt need the blinkers on the rail.

What is the general feeling about the inside speed? Do jocks want to be able to see where the other front runners are? WOuld it affect NoBiz not being able to see the others?

pgardn 04-05-2007 03:57 PM
Everyone knows about the bad habits.
I dont give a damn who he is by, Albert the Great not putting out great horses does not have anything to do with what Nobiz has displayed on the track. I watch the animals run. And he is very talented. First he is huge, if he learns, he could flat out pile through a crowd. Secondly he is fast, he puts himself in pretty good position from the start. Thirdly he does not give up. Just look at the last race when he was lugging in. He came on again very hard. Immense talent with some bad habits. Point Given had a lot of problems early on also.

If Tagg straightens him out, he is a perfect Derby horse with his strengths. Crazy to leave this one out at this point, crazy.

whodey17 04-05-2007 07:40 PM
This is a very interesting race. How much did the Tampa Bay Derby take out of AGS. No Biz and hard Spun had difficult races last time out. Maybe neither of them run well and another horses surprises us. There are too many questions in this race for me to wager on. I like No Biz because I like Albert The Great and I like Tagg. I want the horse to do well as with any horse. Blinkers and cotton balls may work once, but who is to say it will work twice or even at all.

XIIPointStables 04-05-2007 08:02 PM
I'm most interested in Summer Doldrums. I've been partial to Rick Violette's since Read the Footnotes grueling win in the FOY a few years back. The day I fell in love with racing.

I hope SD's last race in the Gotham was a one-time things and not a precursor of things to come.

Cajungator26 04-05-2007 08:46 PM
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I'm most interested in Summer Doldrums. I've been partial to Rick Violette's since Read the Footnotes grueling win in the FOY a few years back. The day I fell in love with racing.

I hope SD's last race in the Gotham was a one-time things and not a precursor of things to come.
Speaking of Read the Footnotes... I love how his babies are turning out. Very nice looking...


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