not that interested to go that far. I'll just wait until next Saturday and draw my own conclusion.

Bumped for you.

The idea is to bet against mediocre horses that get reputations that are undeserved. Street Sense, while aided by the dynamics of the race as well as the bias, is not one of these horses.

Look, even if he was the likeliest winner of the Derby at this point, he still is no better than 20-1 in reality. Hell, even sound he probably isn't 60% to make the Derby. However, the idea that he won't make the Derby because he ran too fast in early November is beyond ridiculous.

Street Sense is a very good horse. We don't have a lot of these in actuality anymore. It's possible he may be capable of running more than one or two good races. Ya know, horses used to be able to do this.

Well if he does win that race....then how exactly is he "finished"? Isn't it weird to say a horse is "finished" and then say that he should win a graded stakes race next weekend?

You don't use Thoros so you have a different view. If you did, you'd likely agree.

Read the thread I just bumped.

I use them and I don't agree with you at all.

By the way, this is embarrassing double talk. It isn't even clear he is the favorite next week.

If you're going to take a stand in this game, which you mystifyingly seem to be at least attempting to do here, then DO IT. Don't hedge.

Be a man!

You don't think he'll be the fave! Haha...Hey guess what, I took at stand in November. So this isn't new...

yeah I saw it but I'm not convinced.

Apparently when someone says a horse is "finished" they don't mean "finished winning graded stakes races."
It is a bit confusing.

You're not taking a stand.....you're already hedging. Either he's through or he isn't. Take a position. As of now you are attempting to cover all your bases.

Any Given Sunday, with a race over the track, may very well be the favorite.

Anyone else thinking Street Sense goes in that allowance on Thursday?

You know what. Look at the study done by horses who run negatives early in their 3 yr old season and when they run them again. He ran a huge negative as a two year old----you don't think the fact that he hasn't raced yet is an issue?

I hear if he does...Randall thinks he's a cinch.

I use thoro numbers, but don't think you can project how a horse will perform six months in the future by looking at a number today.

If he does that tells you all you need to know.

The good news for Street Sense is he earned his speed figure while getting a perfect trip on a gold rail...thus his number should be adjusted upwards....and out of negative territory.

What a relief.


If he had only run last in the Juvie....he'd be a living cinch in the Derby.

Now, if you don't mind I'm going to return to sane conversation....with my imaginary rabbit.

Andy, the red headed step child of the board. Did I say he will win on Sat, he could. But if he wins with an 85 Beyer, what would you think? That's a positive? Gimme a break here.

Here is what I stand by: --that he won't be in the Derby
That he won't run a negative the rest of his 3 yr old season
That he won't win a Grade 1 the rest of his career

That good enough for you....Make some calls of your own here before you knock people who actually do take a stand.

That he already has graded earnings and they'd rather bring him back in an easy spot at 7 furlongs?