Completely disagree. When a longshot finishes second and you get nothing, what have you gotten for being right about a horse outrunning his odds? Nothing.

I was within 100 yards or so of Faith Hill

Very good.

Not a problem, to disagree makes the world go 'round, but if you put that longshot in an exacta with the winner, then you've got something, honey. A fine exacta. Again, forget place betting, put the choice in your exacta.

Honey? Are you a chick?...SO you are saying I should magically find the winner and put him on top and get the exacta? Or wheel my longshot in second as a hedge? Where am I?

Seriously because I think I'm fairly good at finding a longshot horse but getting him with the winner is a whole different story....

i totally agree with randall, i look for the prices in a race 4-1 or higher... you need to go place, my basic wager is $50wp and i think i do ok

i think its crazy if you like a horse at a solid price not to go win place, especially if its a large field

Yeah, I'm a chick, you think some guy's gonna come on here with the signature "G.R.I.T.S.": (noun) Girl Raised In The South. (Though, now I look and the server crash removed it, and I've not replaced it yet.)

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, wheel your longshot to run second. Better yet box the two, and forget it. If you win, you've got a nice exacta.

Beyond that, I'm not sure where you are. Hopefully this explains a bit.

1. I played a $12 pick 6 ticket on Belmont Stakes day and I was singled to Smarty Jones. I dont know how much it would have paid but was still my best handicapping day.

2. I played Hoove's pick 4 ticket at gulfstream with a $100 winner had the two favs going in last race both paid 9k.

yes that might work for you, but some ppl are win place bettors, and some want to get pair a little when there longshot runs a good second i have made alot of money having a 10-1 shot run second and having a $50 wp wager on the horse, when the horse returens $10 and change for second i win $150 instead of losing 100

I've heard both schools of thought -- on betting place (and show for that matter). I've also heard similar thoughts when it comes to exacta wheels and back-wheels.

I don't know if there is a right or wrong answer, but I've used place and show as a "hedge" against my win. I've collected on the place and show wagers and I've lost both of them along with my win bet. I think the exacta discussion is a bit circular -- pick a horse on top, key up on 1 or 2 exactas, have your horse win, but not hit the exacta. I am sure these #'s come out all over the board, but if I can't really feel as confident on my 1 or two key exactas, then I think it makes sense to look for value (especially if I feel the favorite exacta, and the second horse isn't offering value, is probable not to be there, etc.). I certainly don't want to lose as much or near as much on the gimmicks as I've won on the win bet (although those will be low priced horses, #'s, etc.).

Any thoughts from the pro's, serious players, etc.? Thank you.

Eric, the school of thought is take advantage of the pools. Wait till the end to bet. If there is enought value in a large field in the show pool with a vulnerable fave, I have no problem betting to show either...But win/place on price horses is a fine way to go. I can't stomach 20-1 shots I bet finishing second and getting nothing. Simply not worth it.

this past BC...singled Dreaming Of Anna, used Street Sense, singled Oujia Board. Was alive to 5 horses in the Sprint...and Thors Echo was not 1 of them. Will pays were anywhere from $1,500 to $10,000 if memory serves me right.

yep, we were calling UNited for plane reservations until we figured out we needed the rail horse.....

Thors f*cking Echo....

he has joined the likes of Rock Lobster...

Rock Lobster? WTF he do wrong? I liken Thor's Echo more to English Channel.....

Rock Lobster screwed Gander and I last summer at Toga. He is on my "list"

Too tired to talk about your 'pretty horsie' list....It is so much better have 'lists' for jockeys anyways, you can go off on a jockey 1-7 times a day depending on how some of them actually still get rides...

We should go to South America or inner city Chicago and find four weight qualified hard workers and tell them to train hard and you could make them a millionaire. Show them rides by Shane Laviolette as WHAT NOT TO DO and show them rides by Kent Desormeaux/Javy Castellano/some Bailey/Stevens on WHAT TO DO. I see people all around here that could easily make weight and they bust their ass, just hope they have some heart and passion, and they would be better then 70% of the jocks out there...