Chuck was talking about Portland Meadows. Charles Town is a couple notches above that dump.

i like how he fabulous strike was 40/1 in his debut and ran about like a 40/1 shot should.

he switches trainers and goes off at 3/2 in PA, and romps.

then again, i am fairly new to watching east coast racing, and maybe tampa is a much better track than anything in PA. doesnt seem likely, but who knows.

I totally agree.

They constantly move horses up dramatically.

It's hard to say how someone like a Mullins or Dutrow would do with the horses they get---but I'd be absolutley shocked if they'd do better, and I'm not even convinced they'd do as good.

DrugS,

Thanks for keeping the other two names under wraps!

As for the Beattie horses, they may appear overbet on paper, but they are obviously underbet. I keep sending it in on them, don't even look at the form.

Great post, DrugS.

I would point out, though, that even though she shows a flat bet profit across the board, she is basically breaking even on the horses 4-1 or less. The 21% ROI is largely due to her success in bringing home the medium- and longshots. Making 4% ROI on the favs is fairly outstanding in its own right, considering there were over 500 starts in that group. I can only be wistful about adding in the 4-7% Pinnacle rebate to that ROI.

I thought the "under 11 days" fig was pretty amazing, too. Interesting that she does much better with the quick return or the longish layoff than with more "normal" spacing. That may be a function of the bettors giving those factors too much weight, at least where her horses are concerned.

Thanks for posting the data.

--Dunbar

Ryan "Buck" Beattie is Todd's nephew. He was Todd's assistant at Penn
National until he went on his own a couple years ago. Todd has always been high percentage trainer and I do think he is honest because he has a lot of better quality horses. Most of Todd's horses are bought at sales or homebreds by their owners. Steph Beattie also runs horses also under her assistant name Donald Wells at CT and Penn. My friend has horses with Steph at Penn the horses show vast improvement when in her training routine. He said they do a lot of treadmill work and long gallops.

You should the miracle Steph did on a horse named Holiday Peak that
ran at Philly Park in the 2nd race on Feb 13, 2007 and this HORSE WAS
12/1 MORNING LINE. This was off the claim

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/insta...7-02-13&race=2

I forgot to tell you check out the double payoff. They didn't bet the double with a
3-1 winner in the first

pinnacle
 

i thought pinnacle stopped taking plays from the U.S.

Here is a side-by-side comparison with Steph Beattie and Todd Pletcher, comparing their win% and ROI in the three diffrent odds ranges.

4/1 OR LESS:

Beattie: 35% wins. $2.08 ROI
Pletcher: 32% wins. $1.73 ROI

BETWEEN 9/2 up to 10/1

Beattie: 17% wins. $2.37 ROI
Pletcher: 13% wins. $1.81 ROI

GREATER THAN 10/1

Beattie: 10% wins. $3.88 ROI
Pletcher: 5% wins. $1.58 ROI

Beattie wins all the win percentage categories between 3-to-5%. She also sweeps the ROI categories by 35 points, 56 points, and 230 points.

You'd see similar mis-matches with all the other big name move-up guys.

I just think it's pretty damn perverted, when you have to make the trainer the #1 factor in your handicapping--as you'd certainly have to do in certain low-profile ares of the country. That's not what handicapping horses should ever be about.

Apparently they handed out the Eclipse to the wrong trainer.

No amount of treadmill work, or long gallops, produces these kinds of percentages. I can't believe it to be possible.

I sort agree with you. I think she does best by claiming horses
off very bad trainers and putting them on their program. They
also train at a farm not far from Penn. The horse Holiday Peak
was claimed off a very low percentage trainer. You usually don't
see vast improvement when she takes a horse from a high percentage
trainer

I've heard nothing but good things about Todd Beattie; I don't know a thing about the Stephanie girl.

Totally agree with you. I don't think people realize
how good of a horsemen he is. I seen his horses live
at the Pa. tracks and Delaware and they are a picture
health.