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zippyneedsawin 02-22-2007 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
And how about Chace City? He got 5 votes.. and unfortunately, he's dead.


Some people will give just about any excuse not to like a horses chances in the derby. :eek:

FairPlay 02-22-2007 10:56 AM

To think that just two short years ago, we had a seasoned 2 year old in Afleet Alex as the Kentucky Derby favorite. I don't believe that the problem is lack to talent in this year's crop, but, rather, lack of experience in order to try to evaluate the crop. For me, Street Sense won going away over the Churchill Track so he's the only horse that I'm taking very seriously right now. After the Florida Derby, Wood Memorial, Arkansas Derby, and Santa Anita Derby, hopefully, praise God and other dieities, we might know a whole lot more.

brianwspencer 02-22-2007 11:03 AM

Steve,

Are you going to post your ballot on here for us? Interested to see how last weekend affected your support of Hard Spun, who I see has zero first-place votes now.

MisterB 02-22-2007 11:14 AM

Biz flew around that 1 mile, I thought it was to much. Lets see what Tagg does prior to possible next call.

Sightseek 02-22-2007 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FairPlay
To think that just two short years ago, we had a seasoned 2 year old in Afleet Alex as the Kentucky Derby favorite. I don't believe that the problem is lack to talent in this year's crop, but, rather, lack of experience in order to try to evaluate the crop. For me, Street Sense won going away over the Churchill Track so he's the only horse that I'm taking very seriously right now. After the Florida Derby, Wood Memorial, Arkansas Derby, and Santa Anita Derby, hopefully, praise God and other dieities, we might know a whole lot more.

One of the horses I'm probably most interested now at this point, Ravel will only be making one more start in the SA Derby before the Derby, which will be his 5th lifetime start. :eek: I hope Imawildandcrazyguy wins at this point, he made 5 starts just between Sept & November!

smartyalex 02-22-2007 12:49 PM

.....Flying First Class
 
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I don't like him at all as a Derby horse myself.

Well hell, as of right now I LOVE his chances in this years crop!!!

SniperSB23 02-22-2007 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
One of the horses I'm probably most interested now at this point, Ravel will only be making one more start in the SA Derby before the Derby, which will be his 5th lifetime start. :eek: I hope Imawildandcrazyguy wins at this point, he made 5 starts just between Sept & November!

They are now reconsidering that plan. He might go in the Santa Catalina or San Felipe. Still wouldn't shock me if he won the San Felipe to go straight to the Derby from there.

Travis Stone 02-22-2007 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jpops757
...takes away from the creditability of the whole bunch...

How do you figure?

We passed out lifetime PPs of all horses prior to nominations and he was in the file. So, he was receiving votes based upon that. To be honest, I didn't know he was dead either but he has since been removed from the database.

I certainly do not think this situation hinders the credibility of our panel as I know some of them post here and would agree. Thanks for checking out the site, we appreciate it, and keep reading!!

paisjpq 02-22-2007 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Thanks for checking out the site, we appreciate it, and keep reading!!

hey Travis...please tell Pat Cummings that this reader really enjoyed the piece on Curule:)

Kasept 02-22-2007 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Steve,

Are you going to post your ballot on here for us? Interested to see how last weekend affected your support of Hard Spun, who I see has zero first-place votes now.

I will.. hadn't had a chance..

The Indomitable DrugS 02-22-2007 06:14 PM

They had a write-up on Flying First Class up on DRF's website now.

Lukas seems very excited about having the now-rare chance to ruin another exciting prospect.


"I'm definitely not worried about this horse going two turns," Lukas said. "This is a big, long-striding horse that will run from here to the Rocky Mountains.

"He's got me getting up in the mornings."

Kasept 02-22-2007 06:14 PM

My ballot/Overall

NOTIONAL 1 Nobiz Like Shobiz (9)
NOBIZ 2 Ravel (3)
ADORE THE GOLD 3 Street Sense (2)
LIQUIDITY 4 Notional (2)
RAVEL 5 Any Given Saturday (2)
EXHALE 6 Circular Quay
HARD SPUN 7 Great Hunter (1)
CIRCULAR QUAY 8 Liquidity
STORM IN MAY 9 Adore The Gold
BELGRAVIA 10 Stormello
STREET SENSE 11 Exhale
GREAT HUNTER 12 Hard Spun
IMAWILDCRAZYGUY 13 Summer Doldrums
STORMELLO 14 Drums Of Thunder
GREAT HUNTER 15 Belgravia
BIRBBIRDISWORD 16 Imawildandcrazyguy
ANY GIVEN SATURDAY 17 Birdbirdistheword (1)
DRUMS OF THUNDER 18 Teuflesberg
FOREFATHERS 19 Day Pass
ZANJERO 20 Curlin

Sightseek 02-22-2007 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
They had a write-up on Flying First Class up on DRF's website now.

Lukas seems very excited about having the now-rare chance to ruin another exciting prospect.


"I'm definitely not worried about this horse going two turns," Lukas said. "This is a big, long-striding horse that will run from here to the Rocky Mountains.

"He's got me getting up in the mornings."

:D
It almost wouldn't be a surprise if he actually made him run to the Rocky Mountains...

Sightseek 02-22-2007 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
My ballot/Overall

NOTIONAL 1 Nobiz Like Shobiz (9)
NOBIZ 2 Ravel (3)
ADORE THE GOLD 3 Street Sense (2)
LIQUIDITY 4 Notional (2)
RAVEL 5 Any Given Saturday (2)
EXHALE 6 Circular Quay
HARD SPUN 7 Great Hunter (1)
CIRCULAR QUAY 8 Liquidity
STORM IN MAY 9 Adore The Gold
BELGRAVIA 10 Stormello
STREET SENSE 11 Exhale
GREAT HUNTER 12 Hard Spun
IMAWILDCRAZYGUY 13 Summer Doldrums
STORMELLO 14 Drums Of Thunder
GREAT HUNTER 15 Belgravia
BIRBBIRDISWORD 16 Imawildandcrazyguy
ANY GIVEN SATURDAY 17 Birdbirdistheword (1)
DRUMS OF THUNDER 18 Teuflesberg
FOREFATHERS 19 Day Pass
ZANJERO 20 Curlin

By the sounds of it Belgravia might be on lay-up for awhile...but there is another groovy son of Mr. Greeley...Ketchikan :)

paisjpq 02-22-2007 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
By the sounds of it Belgravia might be on lay-up for awhile...but there is another groovy son of Mr. Greeley...Ketchikan :)

who will not even be three on derby day...

Sightseek 02-22-2007 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
who will not even be three on derby day...

He, Scat Daddy, Adore the Gold and Hard Spun will all be 'underage'.

The Indomitable DrugS 02-22-2007 07:14 PM

In the EHorse betting exchange, Nobiz Like Shobiz is the favorite, and can be backed at odds of 10/1.

Only four horses are priced at odds of 25/1 or less. They are...

Nobiz Like Showbiz (10/1)
Ravel (13/1)
Street Sense (15/1)
Any Given Saturday (20/1)

Many horses are availabe at odds of better than 100/1

Notable among them include Adore the Gold, EZ Warrior, Birdbirdistheword, Buffalo Man, Day Pass, Drums of Thunder, Imawildandcrazyguy, Noble Court, Storm in May, and Vicarino among many others.

SniperSB23 02-22-2007 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
By the sounds of it Belgravia might be on lay-up for awhile...but there is another groovy son of Mr. Greeley...Ketchikan :)

Stop stealing my sleeper Derby horse!

The Indomitable DrugS 02-22-2007 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
My ballot/Overall

NOTIONAL 1 Nobiz Like Shobiz (9)
NOBIZ 2 Ravel (3)
ADORE THE GOLD 3 Street Sense (2)
LIQUIDITY 4 Notional (2)
RAVEL 5 Any Given Saturday (2)
EXHALE 6 Circular Quay
HARD SPUN 7 Great Hunter (1)
CIRCULAR QUAY 8 Liquidity
STORM IN MAY 9 Adore The Gold
BELGRAVIA 10 Stormello
STREET SENSE 11 Exhale
GREAT HUNTER 12 Hard Spun
IMAWILDCRAZYGUY 13 Summer Doldrums
STORMELLO 14 Drums Of Thunder
GREAT HUNTER 15 Belgravia
BIRBBIRDISWORD 16 Imawildandcrazyguy
ANY GIVEN SATURDAY 17 Birdbirdistheword (1)
DRUMS OF THUNDER 18 Teuflesberg
FOREFATHERS 19 Day Pass
ZANJERO 20 Curlin

I'm surprised you dropped Hard Spun that far.

Thought I didn't post it on this board before the race, I strongly felt he would lose the Southwest and said so before the race---I really saw a lot of circumstancial things against him going into that race.

Honestly, the more times I watch his race on Monday, the more I seem to fall for it.

I think he'd easily beat that same field again in a fairly run race, and with his rider putting him in the race early on.

I guess the question was---how good was that field? Like you, I would also have him at #7 on my Derby list....but I would have had him in that same spot going into the race.

If I was more confident in the validitiy of the 100 Beyer figure the race got, I'd even be a tad bit tempted to move him up a spot.

Cannon Shell 02-23-2007 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
My ballot/Overall

NOTIONAL 1 Nobiz Like Shobiz (9)
NOBIZ 2 Ravel (3)
ADORE THE GOLD 3 Street Sense (2)
LIQUIDITY 4 Notional (2)
RAVEL 5 Any Given Saturday (2)
EXHALE 6 Circular Quay
HARD SPUN 7 Great Hunter (1)
CIRCULAR QUAY 8 Liquidity
STORM IN MAY 9 Adore The Gold
BELGRAVIA 10 Stormello
STREET SENSE 11 Exhale
GREAT HUNTER 12 Hard Spun
IMAWILDCRAZYGUY 13 Summer Doldrums
STORMELLO 14 Drums Of Thunder
GREAT HUNTER 15 Belgravia
BIRBBIRDISWORD 16 Imawildandcrazyguy
ANY GIVEN SATURDAY 17 Birdbirdistheword (1)
DRUMS OF THUNDER 18 Teuflesberg
FOREFATHERS 19 Day Pass
ZANJERO 20 Curlin

Is there a Great Hunter (GB) or Great Hunter(IRE) because you seem to have a 2 Great Hunters in your top 20


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