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Cannon Shell 01-27-2014 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 962872)
I still think letting Hollins go was a huge mistake for the Grizzlies. Hollins > metrics...but the Gasol injury did kill them.

And Tony Allen and Pondexter too. Hard to lose three rotation players and be ok.

Duvalier 01-27-2014 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 962875)
And Tony Allen and Pondexter too. Hard to lose three rotation players and be ok.

Losing Allen hurts but their season was pretty much derailed by the time he got hurt. They should send him to Portland.

It looks like it might be time for the Pistons to blow the whole thing up. I want to see Monroe go to a better situation than the mess in Detroit.

Cannon Shell 01-27-2014 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 962876)
Losing Allen hurts but their season was pretty much derailed by the time he got hurt. They should send him to Portland.

It looks like it might be time for the Pistons to blow the whole thing up. I want to see Monroe go to a better situation than the mess in Detroit.

Yeah you'd have to figure he will be moved.

RockHardTen1985 01-27-2014 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 962856)
He doesn't start, 18 and 7 would be pretty tough. I know he torched the Thunder the first game in OKC this year in place of an injured Iggy (25+ maybe), but he was invisible in the second game.

I think he has that kind of talent and has not been the same since the borderline gruesome shot he took in the playoffs last year. Pretty rough for NBA standards. Bringing in AI, they had to know it would stunt his growth. Maybe they move him.

Duvalier 01-27-2014 09:54 PM

It's almost not fair what KD is doing right now...he's pretty much unstoppable.

RockHardTen1985 01-27-2014 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 962892)
It's almost not fair what KD is doing right now...he's pretty much unstoppable.

KD is great right now. If Westbrook is fully healthy, they are the favorites to win the West.

cmorioles 01-27-2014 10:52 PM

The Thunder played like a team coming off a 3 game road trip, and playing the 8th game in 12 days, and yet KD was just too damn good to let them lose. I even think they were looking ahead to Miami as well.

Not only is he scoring at an incredible pace, he is threatening back to back 50/40/90 seasons. FT% needs to come up from 88.3.

declansharbor 01-28-2014 05:34 PM

Played a sizable reverse tonight. Knicks moneyline & GS moneyline. Also played a lesser reverse, GS moneyline & over 207.5

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2014 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 962934)
Played a sizable reverse tonight. Knicks moneyline & GS moneyline. Also played a lesser reverse, GS moneyline & over 207.5

I hope you win, but how could you trust the Knicks moneyline especially laying. I can see taking a dog moneyline.
As for Golden St, they are about to go on another good run. Good call there.
If I was forced to play a game tonight I would take Houston moneyline plus 120. I would also take Clevland minus 2.5 minus basic 110, I would play them both straight w/ Houston being the larger play.

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2014 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 962934)
Played a sizable reverse tonight. Knicks moneyline & GS moneyline. Also played a lesser reverse, GS moneyline & over 207.5

Nice call on the Knicks I hope you cash this thing.

cmorioles 01-28-2014 09:22 PM

Kind of hilarious watching the Rockets miss all these hack-a-xxx free throws.

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2014 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 962948)
Kind of hilarious watching the Rockets miss all these hack-a-xxx free throws.

Still about to pull out a good win without there best player.
Big game tomorrow night, who you got? Miami is minus 4. I think Lebron and Miami make a big statement. Lebron especially has done a lot of talking latley. About a week ago he said to watch him vs Washington and promised to go off. He did not do much and they lost as a 10 point favorite. Then he talks about how KD gets more shots then him, then today I read he is requesting a sit down with the new NBA commissioner. And back too a few weeks ago, he was saying how Wades knees are a big issue. Felt to me like a built in excuse. I know its a regular season, but I feel like its a big game for Miami.

Cannon Shell 01-28-2014 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 962950)
And back too a few weeks ago, he was saying how Wades knees are a big issue. Felt to me like a built in excuse. I know its a regular season, but I feel like its a big game for Miami.

So you think Wade is faking?

Duvalier 01-28-2014 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 962950)
Still about to pull out a good win without there best player.

It was a good win for the Rockets without Harden, but the Spurs are not near the same team without Kawhi Leonard.

Cannon Shell 01-28-2014 10:04 PM

So I was watching some college games tonight.

McDermott from Creighton can shoot. He will be an effective player with the right team.
Calipari's teams always look poorly coached. Poor defensive fundamentals and not a whole lot of effort.

Cannon Shell 01-28-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 962953)
It was a good win for the Rockets without Harden, but the Spurs are not near the same team without Kawhi Leonard.

Ginobelli got hurt relatively early and didnt return as well

Duvalier 01-28-2014 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 962955)
Ginobelli got hurt relatively early and didnt return as well

I didn't see that, that obviously hurt them big time too. They stayed relatively injury free for most of the first half, which is pretty good for an older team. Now all of a sudden they seem to be getting hit with a ton of injuries. Splitter and Green should be back fairly soon so that will help a little.

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2014 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 962952)
So you think Wade is faking?

Where did I say that CHuckles?
I think Wade is the 3rd best 2 guard of all time.
I also think he could have gone to Europe and had a Kobe style procedure on his knees two summers ago. The thing is this, the Wade of even last years playoffs is still a top 3 2 guard in the NBA right now. But how often do we get that Wade? If he is milking it now and will be fine for the playoffs Im good with that. But recent Lebron comments makes me wonder if he is not more injured then even teamates believed. I would rate the 2's like this. And Im talking right now today. Harden, Wade, Kobe. Thats assuming Curry and Westbrook are 1's, even though they are the definition of combo guards.

Cannon Shell 01-28-2014 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 962956)
I didn't see that, that obviously hurt them big time too. They stayed relatively injury free for most of the first half, which is pretty good for an older team. Now all of a sudden they seem to be getting hit with a ton of injuries. Splitter and Green should be back fairly soon so that will help a little.

Looked like a hamstring. Still a ways to go before the playoffs for them to get healthy

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2014 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 962959)
Looked like a hamstring. Still a ways to go before the playoffs for them to get healthy

They dont have a prayer come playoff time. With or without him.
I have updated my legit West Championship contenders. No longer 6 legit contenders.
In order....
OKC
Golden St
Houston
Clippers
Portland

Duvalier 01-28-2014 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 962958)
I would rate the 2's like this. And Im talking right now today. Harden, Wade, Kobe. Thats assuming Curry and Westbrook are 1's, even though they are the definition of combo guards.

I'd take DeRozan instead of street clothes Kobe

Cannon Shell 01-28-2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 962958)
Where did I say that CHuckles?
I think Wade is the 3rd best 2 guard of all time.
I also think he could have gone to Europe and had a Kobe style procedure on his knees two summers ago. The thing is this, the Wade of even last years playoffs is still a top 3 2 guard in the NBA right now. But how often do we get that Wade? If he is milking it now and will be fine for the playoffs Im good with that. But recent Lebron comments makes me wonder if he is not more injured then even teamates believed. I would rate the 2's like this. And Im talking right now today. Harden, Wade, Kobe. Thats assuming Curry and Westbrook are 1's, even though they are the definition of combo guards.

The Wade of last years playoffs was not as good as he has been this year when he has played. It was a short price that they'd be resting him more this season after last years issues. However who knows if he is going to hold up for 7 weeks of playoffs?

Kobe was pretty horrible during his brief return. Small sample size and yeah he is coming off of a major injury but he looked bad and then got hurt again and is going to miss his expected return date possibly by a month.

Cannon Shell 01-28-2014 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 962960)
They dont have a prayer come playoff time. With or without him.
I have updated my legit West Championship contenders. No longer 6 legit contenders.
In order....
OKC
Golden St
Houston
Clippers
Portland

You realize that the playoffs dont start till April right?
San Antonio is easily one of the favorites

Cannon Shell 01-28-2014 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 962962)
I'd take DeRozan instead of street clothes Kobe

I'd take Wesley Matthews over both. Klay Thompson and Lance Stevenson too. Maybe Bradley Beal. Of course Ginobelli is better than the post injury Kobe as well.

Duvalier 01-28-2014 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 962965)
I'd take Wesley Matthews over both. Klay Thompson and Lance Stevenson too. Maybe Bradley Beal. Of course Ginobelli is better than the post injury Kobe as well.

Not tonight you wouldn't lol. The Grizzlies are giving the Blazers a beat down.

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2014 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 962964)
You realize that the playoffs dont start till April right?
San Antonio is easily one of the favorites

No they are not. Last year there was a perfect storm of things w/ Westbrook being hurt and Golden St just getting good. Now this year you also add very good Houston and Portland. San Antonio has no prayer of coming out of the West.

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2014 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 962965)
I'd take Wesley Matthews over both. Klay Thompson and Lance Stevenson too. Maybe Bradley Beal. Of course Ginobelli is better than the post injury Kobe as well.

lolol....
I guess I would take Thompson right now. No one else from your list. Your funny Chuck, Im a Kobe hater but pre injury he was 27 a game. About a month back when I said Wade is right with Kobe as far as an all timer you jumped on me. Even though Wade is around 26 a game for his career.

Cannon Shell 01-28-2014 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 962967)
No they are not. Last year there was a perfect storm of things w/ Westbrook being hurt and Golden St just getting good. Now this year you also add very good Houston and Portland. San Antonio has no prayer of coming out of the West.


Lets see they have Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and Manu Ginobelli and Leonard and the best coach in the game...AND they are 33-12 despite resting key players and injury issues...

Yeah they have no chance...

Cannon Shell 01-28-2014 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 962968)
lolol....
I guess I would take Thompson right now. No one else from your list. Your funny Chuck, Im a Kobe hater but pre injury he was 27 a game. About a month back when I said Wade is right with Kobe as far as an all timer you jumped on me. Even though Wade is around 26 a game for his career.

Kobe looked finished last I saw him. No legs. He is old and coming off a major injury and has a million miles on his legs already.

You do realize that there is more to the game than just points right?
Kobe is the 2nd best SG though you could easily make the case that Jerry West could be 2nd. Wade is 4th especially if he is going to be a 75% player from now on.

Those guys are all better players than Kobe right now until proven differently.

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2014 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 962970)
Kobe looked finished last I saw him. No legs. He is old and coming off a major injury and has a million miles on his legs already.

You do realize that there is more to the game than just points right?
Kobe is the 2nd best SG though you could easily make the case that Jerry West could be 2nd. Wade is 4th especially if he is going to be a 75% player from now on.

Those guys are all better players than Kobe right now until proven differently.

You asking me if I realize there is more to basketball then just points? Your boy plays no defense and does nothing else even well, other then score. He just had 62 points with 0 assists. Its impossible.

Cannon Shell 01-28-2014 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 962971)
You asking me if I realize there is more to basketball then just points? Your boy plays no defense and does nothing else even well, other then score. He just had 62 points with 0 assists. Its impossible.

What does Anthony have to do with this conversation? You realize that only idiots would dwell on the fact that a guy with 62 points had zero assists right? That in order to get an assist your teammates have to make a basket when you pass it to them?

I am hardly the worlds biggest Carmelo Anthony fan and am well aware of his positives, negatives, strengths and limitations. I'm not 100% convinced that they would be better off starting over from scratch. But this ridiculous notion that he isnt one of the ten best players in the world or "cant win" is misguided at best and asinine at worst.

Carmelo Anthony defending the post is like Bill Russell compared to Harden defending pretty much anything.

asudevil 01-28-2014 11:44 PM

Any kid who is considering a stint with Calipari/UK ought to think long and hard about the repercussions of that decision.

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2014 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 962972)
What does Anthony have to do with this conversation? You realize that only idiots would dwell on the fact that a guy with 62 points had zero assists right? That in order to get an assist your teammates have to make a basket when you pass it to them?

I am hardly the worlds biggest Carmelo Anthony fan and am well aware of his positives, negatives, strengths and limitations. I'm not 100% convinced that they would be better off starting over from scratch. But this ridiculous notion that he isnt one of the ten best players in the world or "cant win" is misguided at best and asinine at worst.

Carmelo Anthony defending the post is like Bill Russell compared to Harden defending pretty much anything.

I don’t think its ridiculous at all saying Melo isn’t a top 10 player. Not at all. And he has won nothing in the NBA, so Im not sure why you continuing make this bad argument. Ill name 10 that are better than him today.

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Harden
Howard
Paul
Griffin
Aldridge
George
Love
That’s 11 that I take no questions asked.
Ill name a few more who are borderline.

Davis
Cousins
Irving
Lillard
Wall
Lee
Parsons
Hayward
Clearly Im saying all things considered. Age, money etc….

RockHardTen1985 01-28-2014 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 962973)
Any kid who is considering a stint with Calipari/UK ought to think long and hard about the repercussions of that decision.

Agree. The guys a criminal.

Cannon Shell 01-28-2014 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 962973)
Any kid who is considering a stint with Calipari/UK ought to think long and hard about the repercussions of that decision.

I guess they recruit them saying that they get exposure and look at all the UK guys in the NBA and taken in the lottery.

The biggest nightmare for Calipari would be the NBA getting rid of the one and done rule and beefing up the D league as a real minor league.

Cannon Shell 01-29-2014 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 962974)
I don’t think its ridiculous at all saying Melo isn’t a top 10 player. Not at all. And he has won nothing in the NBA, so Im not sure why you continuing make this bad argument. Ill name 10 that are better than him today.

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
Curry
Harden
Howard
Paul
Griffin
Aldridge
George
Love
That’s 11 that I take no questions asked.
Ill name a few more who are borderline.

Davis
Cousins
Irving
Lillard
Wall
Lee
Parsons
Hayward
Clearly Im saying all things considered. Age, money etc….

This is a joke right?

Carmelo Anthony is averaging 27 points and 9 rebounds and 3 assists a game.

On 45% shooting, 42% on 3's.

Yeah Gordon Hayward is better...

RockHardTen1985 01-29-2014 12:12 AM

Melo will be 30 this year. He is a no defense gunner who no one really even wants anymore and rumor is La La is making the decisions in his family anyway.
Gordon is 23 and makes much less, so like I said all things considered, and Hayward was not on the 100% better list.

Cannon Shell 01-29-2014 12:14 AM

According to PG1985 and Skip Bayless logic:
havent won anything in the NBA
Durant
Westbrook
Paul
Howard
Griffin
Hardon
Aldridge
Love
George
Davis
Cousins
Irving
Lillard
Wall
Lee
Parsons
Hayward

or in other words your entire list outside of LeBron

has never won anything in the NBA

NTamm1215 01-29-2014 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 962955)
Ginobelli got hurt relatively early and didnt return as well

He got hurt in the 3rd quarter and left a little after that.

It was a great win for the Rockets, who were in dire need of a good effort after a terrible home and home with Memphis. To win without Harden, especially the way he had played thus far this year against SA, is even better.

Cannon Shell 01-29-2014 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 962978)
Melo will be 30 this year. He is a no defense gunner who no one really even wants anymore and rumor is La La is making the decisions in his family anyway.
Gordon is 23 and makes much less, so like I said all things considered, and Hayward was not on the 100% better list.

Anthony has scored 22 points more than Aldridch this season despite taking 60 fewer shots.

Gordon Hayward is averaging 11.5 points a game for his career. He is averaging 17 a game this year with a shooting % considerably worse than Anthony. You should slap yourself in the face for this comparison.


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