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Cannon Shell 04-05-2010 04:24 PM

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...draft-history/

ateamstupid 04-05-2010 04:26 PM

Chuck, are you ready to admit you were wrong about Steph Curry?

Cannon Shell 04-05-2010 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 632800)
Chuck, are you ready to admit you were wrong about Steph Curry?

absolutely

though I will say that he found the ideal situation where his skill set fits perfectly and like other guys playing in the Don Nelson "keep firing/no defense" system, his numbers may be a little inflated. But he has been far better than I thought he would be.

Cannon Shell 04-05-2010 04:36 PM

Chad Ford had Butler as the 66th best 2010 draft prospect before the injury

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/...draftyear=2010

RockHardTen1985 04-05-2010 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 632796)
It was a terrible injury and I feel bad for having ripped him earlier in the thread, but there's no way he was a top 20 pick. He was a second rounder. He has no position in the NBA. He's too slow to be a 3 and too small to be a 4.

Maybe I just fell for him, the kid is tough... I loved watching him in the Big East Tourny, big shot after big shot... Reminds me of myself.

Cannon Shell 04-05-2010 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 632808)
Maybe I just fell for him, the kid is tough... I loved watching him in the Big East Tourny, big shot after big shot... Reminds me of myself.

You got a bad knee or are you 6'7"?

ateamstupid 04-05-2010 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 632810)
You got a bad knee or are you 6'7"?

Maybe Butler got banged on by Jimmer Fredette too. :rolleyes:

Cannon Shell 04-05-2010 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 632811)
Maybe Butler got banged on by Jimmer Fredette too. :rolleyes:

or banged

RockHardTen1985 04-05-2010 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 632810)
You got a bad knee or are you 6'7"?

Well kind of ironic, I do have a bad knee.. But clearly I did not mean that, I mean the big shots, clutch factor.

2MinsToPost 04-05-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 632834)
Well kind of ironic, I do have a bad knee.. But clearly I did not mean that, I mean the big shots, clutch factor.

Don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back

RockHardTen1985 04-05-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost (Post 632836)
Don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back

lol

GPK 04-05-2010 08:06 PM

Ok Butler...tap that ass tonight.

ninetoone 04-05-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 632846)
Ok Butler...tap that ass tonight.

Yeahhhhh bro!!!!!

the_fat_man 04-05-2010 08:31 PM

Can the Butler center make a layup?

Would be a good idea before the calls inevitably start going Dook's way.

GPK 04-05-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 632855)
Can the Butler center make a layup?

Would be a good idea before the calls inevitably start going Dook's way.

Clearly all the mustache hair is blocking his vision...

GPK 04-05-2010 08:40 PM

Have really enjoyed watching this Hayward kid for Butler.

GPK 04-05-2010 08:43 PM

Isn't Duke having 4 white guys on the floor at one time some kind of NCAA violation?

GPK 04-05-2010 08:55 PM

The non-calls on the defensive end for Duke are laughable, at best.

ateamstupid 04-05-2010 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 632864)
The non-calls on the defensive end for Duke are laughable, at best.

Not to mention Singler just took about 14 steps on his last drive. The NCAA can go **** itself, I've had it.

GPK 04-05-2010 09:55 PM

Possibly the worst charging call ever. Unreal...

I love the fight that Butler has showed up with tonight. Easily could have played scared, but these kids are showing some serious heart.

dalakhani 04-05-2010 10:05 PM

I guess Duke gets continuation calls now.

declansharbor 04-05-2010 10:29 PM

If Duke loses this game, that's an ALL TIME blunder there with the missed layup. He better PRAY that this lead holds

philcski 04-05-2010 10:42 PM

FOCK DUKE... what an epic game, much love to the Butler Bulldogs for playing for all the little guys...

VOL JACK 04-05-2010 10:43 PM

Wow, Heyward almost made that shot.
Watching the replay, I don't see how the ball didn't go in.

philcski 04-05-2010 10:52 PM

I really wanted to take Butler tonight but couldn't talk myself into it because it felt like an emotional selection... on power numbers, Duke -7 was the right number. Was a great CBB season and I'm already looking forward to next year. This game is why college hoops is my favorite team sport.

ateamstupid 04-05-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 632885)
I really wanted to take Butler tonight but couldn't talk myself into it because it felt like an emotional selection... on power numbers, Duke -7 was the right number. Was a great CBB season and I'm already looking forward to next year. This game is why college hoops is my favorite team sport.

I also almost took the points, but didn't want to jinx Butler.

Wrote this on twitter, but one thing that's lost in all of this is that as long as Hayward doesn't declare, Butler only loses Veasley and Jukes from this team. They'll be a force next year too. Still, what a heartbreaker. And it had to be against Duke.

I'll be writing a tournament postmortem in the next few days if anyone's interested.

horseofcourse 04-06-2010 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 632874)
Possibly the worst charging call ever. Unreal...

I love the fight that Butler has showed up with tonight. Easily could have played scared, but these kids are showing some serious heart.

The did beat one-third of the sweet 16 teams going into tonight....Ohio State, Xavier, Syracuse, Kansas State, Michigan State. Why would Duke scare them?? I think scared is not really in that team's vocabulary.

Cannon Shell 04-06-2010 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 632889)
I also almost took the points, but didn't want to jinx Butler.

Wrote this on twitter, but one thing that's lost in all of this is that as long as Hayward doesn't declare, Butler only loses Veasley and Jukes from this team. They'll be a force next year too. Still, what a heartbreaker. And it had to be against Duke.

I'll be writing a tournament postmortem in the next few days if anyone's interested.

I cant see Hayward going pro this year. He isnt a lottery pick and really needs a lot of work. Playing in the Horizon cant help him much but he really looked lost in the 2nd half of the MSU game and was clearly outplayed by Singler tonight.

ateamstupid 04-06-2010 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 632902)
I cant see Hayward going pro this year. He isnt a lottery pick and really needs a lot of work. Playing in the Horizon cant help him much but he really looked lost in the 2nd half of the MSU game and was clearly outplayed by Singler tonight.

I agree that he should stay. He's got a ton of skills, but he has to get a little stronger and improve his shot. Plus that team has Final Four potential again in 2010-11 and he's become the face of Butler basketball.

Cannon Shell 04-06-2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 632911)
I agree that he should stay. He's got a ton of skills, but he has to get a little stronger and improve his shot. Plus that team has Final Four potential again in 2010-11 and he's become the face of Butler basketball.

The only thing that might make him think about going pro is that he simply isnt going to get much of a chance to work on things playing 20+ games against subpar competition. Sure he can get stronger, work on his shooting, try to develop a bit of a post game to take advantage of mismatches, etc. I would think he is a mid 20's pick now but he may be a mid 20's pick again next year unless he really improves. Is it worth the risk of staying if your ceiling to move up is only 8 or 9 picks? And what kind of one and doners are coming in next year that will take up lottery positions in the 2011 draft?

Like I said before just taking the situation at face value I would advise him to stay, make another run at the title, get stronger, shoot better and maybe he gets in the lottery. If he doesnt he will still probably be a 1st round pick.....and maybe take out an insurance policy as well

dalakhani 04-06-2010 07:32 PM

He is not much of a shot maker. He is athletic, smart and he has skills but he really needs to work on his shot both from the set and off the dribble.

His defensive versatility is very impressive.

GPK 04-06-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 633117)
He is not much of a shot maker. He is athletic, smart and he has skills but he really needs to work on his shot both from the set and off the dribble.

His defensive versatility is very impressive.

I guess this would fall under being smart, but I think he has great court awareness.

Cannon Shell 04-06-2010 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 633117)
He is not much of a shot maker. He is athletic, smart and he has skills but he really needs to work on his shot both from the set and off the dribble.

His defensive versatility is very impressive.

Against non NBA players like he has been playing against maybe but he is going to have major issues guarding athletic wings and is simply too weak to have a prayer in the post. I think the biggest problem with him is he isnt strong or quick. Not sure how you get around that. But he seems cagey enough and has enough skills especially if he shoots better to have a career as a 7th-8th man,

horseofcourse 04-07-2010 05:21 AM

Gordon Hayward. The only important thing to consider in this discussion...is he better than Adam Morrison?

rpncaine 04-07-2010 06:32 AM

Maybe at Tennis. He needs another year, maybe two.

philcski 04-07-2010 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 633128)
Against non NBA players like he has been playing against maybe but he is going to have major issues guarding athletic wings and is simply too weak to have a prayer in the post. I think the biggest problem with him is he isnt strong or quick. Not sure how you get around that. But he seems cagey enough and has enough skills especially if he shoots better to have a career as a 7th-8th man,

I agree with this. I really like his game but it doesn't project that well to the next level because of the quickness.

Cannon Shell 04-07-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 633185)
Gordon Hayward. The only important thing to consider in this discussion...is he better than Adam Morrison?

He can pass and attempts to play defense so yes he is better than Morrison. Plus he didnt cry like a 6 year old girl after they lost.

Cannon Shell 04-07-2010 11:50 AM

I think that the Mike Dunleavy comparisons are pretty close. If he improves he can be similar to Detlef Schrempf.

Schrempf really improved his offensive game especially his outside shooting and went from a 8th man in the rotation to the best 6th man in the NBA and eventually became a starter. He was a guy that did whatever his team needed him to. Playing for Indiana he was more of a inside player who rebounded yet was usually 2nd behind the pg in assists. When he went to Seattle they already had a strong post game and he became more of an outside player and during his 2nd season he shot 51.4% on three point shots (93 for 181) which is astounding considering he never made more than 23 with Indiana.

I have no idea why anyone would be interested in that but I think Heyward could have a similar career, especially if he played another year. In Dunleavys case he was overdrafted at #3 but had he left after his Sophmore season he would not have been a lottery pick (he left after his junior year). I think this guy should play one more year, maybe play himself into the lottery.

horseofcourse 04-07-2010 02:36 PM

It will be hard to envision him not staying. They'll be top 5 in every pre-season poll with what they have coming back.

philcski 04-07-2010 07:14 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=5064967

Nice job finding the one-n-dones, Calipari.


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