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DonGuido 05-28-2015 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1028956)
Maybe they think second in this race with a huge purse is wide open.
Or they just want to come to the party!

RolloTomasi 05-28-2015 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1028956)
Maybe they think second in this race with a huge purse is wide open.
Just like the connections of Ruler On Ice, Da Tara, Commendable, Sarava, and Go And Go.

Alabama Stakes 05-29-2015 01:03 AM
If a hoss likes Belmont, the jump in class isn't a big deal, according to surly

DonGuido 05-29-2015 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1028969)
If a hoss likes Belmont, the jump in class isn't a big deal, according to surly
Horses for the courses for sure. As we well know Belmont is not cut out for many horses. I agree in general for ungraded stakes and below but not when you racing against the current top level horse or horses entered in the Belmont.

Indian Charlie 05-29-2015 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1028967)
Just like the connections of Ruler On Ice, Da Tara, Commendable, Sarava, and Go And Go.
True, I guess.

Commendable was only like 18/1 or so, and if you toss his KY Derby race, had pretty decent form against better horses than he was facing in the Belmont. Plus, Lukas loves throwing darts like that.

Arletta 05-29-2015 02:35 PM
Mubtaahij works 4 times in 11 days? :zz:

http://www.courier-journal.com/story...ahij/28073545/

Indian Charlie 05-29-2015 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Arletta (Post 1029027)
Mubtaahij works 4 times in 11 days? :zz:

http://www.courier-journal.com/story...ahij/28073545/
Well, his trainer is one of the greatest in the world, so I'm sure it makes sense.

Perhaps he's just trying to get a head of steam rolling to level the playing field.

wac 05-29-2015 11:49 PM
Can someone explain to me why competitive edge isn't going in the Belmont? U guys know more then I do but his last couple of races have looked awfully good to me. Is there a distance limitation? Just don't get it as by my eyes I think he is the best 3yr old tap has. Jmo.

Danzig 05-30-2015 12:02 AM
He may be that, but CE will be pointing to either the woody stephens or the met mile. Good move. Pletcher has others seemingly more suited to the longer belmont.

RolloTomasi 05-30-2015 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1029009)
True, I guess.

Commendable was only like 18/1 or so, and if you toss his KY Derby race, had pretty decent form against better horses than he was facing in the Belmont. Plus, Lukas loves throwing darts like that.
Commendable had failed to hit the board in any of his starts between his debut maiden win at 2 and the his Belmont win at 3 (of course, he never won another race, either).

As far as form against better horses, both Unshaded and Globalize had defeated him in the Lexington and then ran in the Belmont.

Alabama Stakes 05-30-2015 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by wac (Post 1029128)
Can someone explain to me why competitive edge isn't going in the Belmont? U guys know more then I do but his last couple of races have looked awfully good to me. Is there a distance limitation? Just don't get it as by my eyes I think he is the best 3yr old tap has. Jmo.
sharp post.

jnunan4759 05-30-2015 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wac (Post 1029128)
Can someone explain to me why competitive edge isn't going in the Belmont? U guys know more then I do but his last couple of races have looked awfully good to me. Is there a distance limitation? Just don't get it as by my eyes I think he is the best 3yr old tap has. Jmo.
Agree, Pletcher is already running 3 (maybe) in the race and all these horses have different owners. As an owner, you don't like to see your trainer enter another horse in a race you are in, especially if it can beat you.

The horse has shown he can run well short and the jump to 1 1/2 mile would be kinda crazy. He got hurt and is behind these horses and there will be plenty of races for him. Woody Stephens is logical.

Arletta 06-01-2015 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1028886)
GRENING: The Truth or Else likely for Belmont

THE TRUTH OR ELSE, a recent allowance winner at Belmont Park , is likely to join the Belmont Stakes field, trainer Ken McPeek said Thursday.

McPeek, who won the 2002 Belmont with longshot Sarava - a race in which the Bob Baffert-trained War Emblem was going for the Triple Crown -- said The Truth or Else is70 percent to run.

"He's 2-for-3 over the track, he's out of. Colonial Affair mare, whether he's got the class or not ...." McPeek said. "We're leaning that way."

The Truth or Else won a maiden race over at Belmont last September and an allowance race going 1 1-16 miles here on May 22.

McPeek said Edgar Prado would ride The Truth or Else if he runs. Prado rode Sarava and Birdstone (2004) to victories in the Belmont Stakes.
Out..... Filling in the ankle this morning.

TouchOfGrey 06-01-2015 10:02 AM
Jay Privman ‏@DRFPrivman 8m:
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Carpe Diem will not run in Belmont, trainer Todd Pletcher informs

Alabama Stakes 06-01-2015 10:47 AM
they're dropping like flies.....remember how Secretariat used to lower his head to go faster ? he was truly amazing. Nothing like a fresh dose of Riva Ridge and Secretariat to an eleven year old kid, to get the juices going for a lifetime. I don't know what I had for lunch yesterday, but watching Secretariat on TV this morning seemed so fresh in my mind.

Kasept 06-01-2015 10:51 AM
6/6/15 (BEL): Belmont Stakes

American Pharoah (Baffert/V. Espinoza)
Keen Ice (Romans/Desormeaux)
Mubtaahij (de Kock/I. Ortiz)
Tale of Verve (Stewart/Stevens)
Madefromlucky (Pletcher/Velazquez)
Materiality (Pletcher/Castellano)
Frosted (McLaughlin/Rosario)
Frammento (Zito/Smith)

Alabama Stakes 06-01-2015 10:56 AM
Value is fading fast.....:mad:

freddymo 06-01-2015 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1029447)
6/6/15 (BEL): Belmont Stakes

American Pharoah (Baffert/V. Espinoza)
Keen Ice (Romans/Desormeaux)
Mubtaahij (de Kock/I. Ortiz)
Tale of Verve (Stewart/Stevens)
Madefromlucky (Pletcher/Velazquez)
Materiality (Pletcher/Castellano)
Frosted (McLaughlin/Rosario)
Frammento (Zito/Smith)
I predicted 7, although one would have to think all of these will give it a go, save a an ailment which nobody wants to see.

Indian Charlie 06-01-2015 11:45 AM
The connections of the California based horses have all gone Roberto Duran on this race.

RolloTomasi 06-01-2015 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1029460)
The connections of the California based horses have all gone Roberto Duran on this race.
Who is missing? Firing Line and Dortmund both took 2 shots and are spent horses.

Next weekend is the Affirmed Stakes that will have some late bloomers and a couple of reboots. If horses like Kentuckian, Prospect Park, Madiba and Cyrus Alexander had a bit more bottom to them, perhaps one would have pointed to New York.

Jerry Hollendorfer also took over the training of Desert Dynamo, who was being groomed as the next Distinctiv Passion under Jeff Bonde, and promptly stretched him out with great success this weekend. Second dam was the Tartan mare Coup de Fusil, who knocked heads with Personal Ensign, Lady's Secret, Sachauista, etc.

Beyond California, I would have liked to have seen Divining Rod point to the Belmont.


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