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justindew 07-01-2008 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I would like to know exactly who Gary thinks should be responsible.

Frankly, one of the biggest problems today, outside of my desperate need for a ticket to see Pearl Jam at the Beacon tonight, is the general lack of personal responsibility.

A VH1 poll taken in 1999 ranked Pearl Jam the 2nd best band of the 90s.

Oasis was #1.

True story.

ateamstupid 07-01-2008 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
A VH1 poll taken in 1999 ranked Pearl Jam the 2nd best band of the 90s.

Oasis was #1.

True story.

Exactly why I don't listen to anything VH1 tells me about music.

blackthroatedwind 07-01-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
A VH1 poll taken in 1999 ranked Pearl Jam the 2nd best band of the 90s.

Oasis was #1.

True story.


How's that possible.....Jerry Garcia was still alive for half of the 90s.

SentToStud 07-01-2008 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
A VH1 poll taken in 1999 ranked Pearl Jam the 2nd best band of the 90s.

Oasis was #1.

True story.

Never heard of Oasis. I don't believe it.

justindew 07-01-2008 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Exactly why I don't listen to anything VH1 tells me about music.

The readers of Rolling Stone voted Oasis' 1997 album "Be Here Now" Album of the Year.

The band thinks it's their worst effort.

Surely you can't argue with Rolling Stone.

justindew 07-01-2008 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
How's that possible.....Jerry Garcia was still alive for half of the 90s.

Jerry Garcia? The maitre 'd at Morton's in Reston, Virginia?

blackthroatedwind 07-01-2008 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
The readers of Rolling Stone voted Oasis' 1997 album "Be Here Now" Album of the Year.

The band thinks it's their worst effort.

Surely you can't argue with Rolling Stone.


Psst......musical taste is a personal choice kind of thing. Who gives a sh it what anyone else says. It's all about who each person likes.

Except in the case of Jerry Garcia and Miles Davis.

SentToStud 07-01-2008 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
The readers of Rolling Stone voted Oasis' 1997 album "Be Here Now" Album of the Year.

The band thinks it's their worst effort.

Surely you can't argue with Rolling Stone.

Back in '62, did Herman's Hermits edge out Petula Clark? I can't seem to recall.

blackthroatedwind 07-01-2008 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Back in '62, did Herman's Hermits edge out Petula Clark? I can't seem to recall.



The photo still hasn't come back.







Lack of interest?

parsixfarms 07-01-2008 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
How's that possible.....Jerry Garcia was still alive for half of the 90s.

You call that "alive."

blackthroatedwind 07-01-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
You call that "alive."


I saw a lot of good shows in the 90s. The run at the Garden in 1990 was epic.

ateamstupid 07-01-2008 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Psst......musical taste is a personal choice kind of thing. Who gives a sh it what anyone else says. It's all about who each person likes.

Except in the case of Jerry Garcia and Miles Davis.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure Coldplay has gotten critical acclaim as well, and they suck ass.

blackthroatedwind 07-01-2008 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Exactly. I'm pretty sure Coldplay has gotten critical acclaim as well, and they suck ass.

The sad truth is it's best to like bands that nobody else likes ( relatively speaking of course ). It makes it easier and more enjoyable to see them. Popularity brings people that are only there because they think it's the thing to do....and they end up talking through the entire show ( and, of course, sitting behind me ).

herkhorse 07-01-2008 04:44 PM

Talking about music is like dancing about architecture

SentToStud 07-01-2008 04:58 PM

I am once again listening to Tim Buckley. I have started making my own videos to commemorate my reaquaintance.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sjuPGN71gAA

ELA 07-01-2008 05:05 PM

OK, I have nothing to add on the music disussion -- however, the trainer responsibility rule is a tough one. While I sympathize and empathize with the trainer, the trainer is the one who is "there", on-sight, everyday. Not at every division of course, but the respective assistant trainer, someone on their payroll, who they are in fact responsible for is there everyday.

There has to be some accountability there, some ultimate responsibility. Perhaps the trainer responsibility rule as it stands is not ideal, maybe it needs to be revised or amended. Years ago, in the standardbred business (in NJ, I don't know about elsewhere), many trainers used to take advantage of a "loophole" in the rule. The trainer would list themselves (in the program) as the head trainer and the assitant would be listed as the assistant trainer. If a positive test occured, or some other violation that resulted in days -- the assistant could take the days. I believe they did away with the "loophole" but I am not sure.

It is for these reasons that I have trouble with the implementation of the owner responsibility rule. I think in it's most strict form it is nothing more than a strong arm way of forcing owners into a limited universe of hiring a trainer. However, I see that being a problem as well. In a myopic view I am sure many people would say that's a good thing -- that's the desired result. In a more global setting I think this could have many negative ramifications. There has to be another answer or answers.

Bruce Levine commented the potential "sabotage" aspect or someone who might "spike" a horse (note -- he made these comments after his barn tested negative). That has to be a concern. How can someone deal with that? Contamination is always an issue. Split samples as well. Regardless, hold me ultimately responsible for everything that goes on, when I am not there everyday, that is a tough bullet to bite. Should I ask Levine to sign something? Tell him not to do anything "aggressive" or not treat my horses with such and such? And, what happens when a positive test occurs? How does this play out? I think this is a very complex issue and one that is not so easy to address.

Eric

Cannon Shell 07-01-2008 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Wait, so if someone sits down at my terminal at work, does some bad trades, and loses a million dollars I'm not responsible??? I'd love to see how that would go over :rolleyes:

What if they make some brilliant trades?

stonegossard 07-01-2008 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Step back for a second and realize how funny this post is from someone named Stone Gossard.

I am very proud of the music that Eddie, Mike, Jeff, Matt, Jack, Dave and I have made over the years....that being said...we are no Motley Crue. We know our boundaries.

GBBob 07-01-2008 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
I am very proud of the music that Eddie, Mike, Jeff, Matt, Jack, Dave and I have made over the years....that being said...we are no Motley Crue. We know our boundaries.

Aren't YOU encoring at the Beacon right now?;)

blackthroatedwind 07-01-2008 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Aren't YOU encoring at the Beacon right now?;)


The show, which I was fortunate enough to go to because of a very kind member of this board, ended an hour ago.


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