I haven't read this whole thread.

It was quite a performance.

Shouldn't we be talking triple crown?

I'm serious. Just think. Before this race, we were all talking about what a great 3yo crop we had. Is it no longer good because Mine That Bird beat them? Sure, it could be a fluke, but then again, this horse could be special. I certainly would not discount him.

Uh, no, you have zero proof of that. You once asked me what my problem is(after you said you have OCD.) I told you I have fatigue. That's all you know, because that's all I know. Do I have poor mood? No. Do I have anxiety, or Panic Attacks? No. Am I an OCD Handwasher etc. type? No. Do I have Manic Depression ? No. Am I addicted to drugs? No. Am I violent, or dangerous to myself or others? No. All you have to go on is what I told you, and what I told someone else on here(fatigue.) I told you I have fatigue n' feel better late at night. If you(or someone you've talked to) want to characterize that as mental illness, then I just don't see the factual basis for it. Fatigue is not very interesting to Doctors. All I know is you've shown more interest in it than any Doctor ever has (FAR MORE.) Nobody knows. So, you can't know. You can only speculate. You told me you had this specific issue. I didn't go fishing, or get it 2nd hand.....As far as anything else goes("bunch of other stuff,") I've only talked(barely) in person to Vic Stauffer(and this is why.) The other stuff you've heard is probably from an addicted gambler(that 20 years ago I barely ever talked to).... who knew an even more addicted gambler.... who knew me. I was (by far) the least addicted(chronic versus these 2 being acute.)...This common friend was cleaning out stepdaddy's account with atm cards(twice)....I was "da puzzy" who wouldn't be part of that, or any of his other scams. I knew some of the stuff he was doing. I told him he was gunna get caught. He wouldn't listen. Judge ITO made some deal with him, and (of course) he tried to later get out of the deal. Got his ass in jail for murder, and evidently got murdered by guards who wrapped him in saran wrap, n' kept him from sweating, or so the story goes. Yea, That middle addict is dead, and he was a compulsive liar. So, what you're going on is what one really way gone addict murderer told another addict. He played everyone against each other. I don't blame the guy you're talking to, but he doesn't know me, and I don't know him. Yea, we met a long time ago, but our common friend was using each of us against each other. Anything he ever did was blamed on one or the other of us. His parents thought we were Devils(had to blame stuff on someone.) I thought they didn't like the Gentile kid coming to dinner with them, but it was a lil more than just that......Most I ever did wrong was be with the common friend when he tried to use a hot card. Both of you would be better off not using 2nd n' 3rd hand info from a dead liar-murderer. Far as present day stuff goes, send that TURKEYBOY a Rode Mic n' he'll tell you anything you want to know. At least he knows me. Seems you guys would of bribed him by now if you're so curious.

the three best horses in the crop weren't in the race. a lot of people had their capping fly out the window when IWR scratched. that race was wide open after the defections, and the piling on by other horses.

i doubt the horse is special. he'll turn out to be a go for gin, a gato del sol.

Maybe...but part of the game is getting to the dance and actually dancing.

The three best up to this point in time and after Saturday he notched the fourth spot.Honestly if Dunkirk or FF had been scratched before the race it would be too easy to say the 4th and/or fifth best horses had been scratched. Speaking of Dunkirk, what exactly have the horses coming out of south Florida done to this point?To me, as poor as MTB's form was prior to the Derby it's a whole new ballgame now.By the way I think MTB would do well to turn out as good as Go For Gin.

I wish someone had given me some Summer Bird-Dunkirk action.

who i believe never won again after the derby.
no way i'd rank this horse fourth best after that fluke win. and until he backs it up, it is a fluke win.

One thing we do know, he can run on polytrack and he won for a 1 -23 trainer at some obscure track. It is strange, any way you cut it the 7 length victory was impressive if we divorce ourselves who the horse was.

That's fair enough,there is a long way to go before the best of this generation is determined.Up to this point the two best colts to have "backed up" their performances are injured and because the win by MTB is a fluke then I would have to believe that everyone who ran in the Derby gets a free pass including the horses that ran to their previous figures.

not really. he's the only horse who ran. why? 18 horses stank on saturday, one didn't. the track was a quagmire. what else is there to say?

You let me down. Where's the almost-mandatory "OMG" from you? Oh, there's proof of illness, because I wrote that long in an answer to a nitpickin' OCD irritant like you? Yea, you can write anything on here without having to justify it. Well, I am glad to turn your Post-Derby Monday into a sweet success.

So Dunkirk is suddenly a pig because he nearly fell over at the start and grabbed a quarter soon after, all along running over a sloppy track for the 1st time?
And who exactly are you referring to when talking about the other "horses coming out of South Florida"?
Dunkirk ran a great race against Quality Road, who obviously didn't run in the Derby. Several horses he beat in his Maiden and Allowance wins have come back to run well, including Santana Six and Warriors Reward, who won on Friday's card.
I'm not trying to be a Dunkirk apologist, but instantly attacking any horse's credibility that ran in "the mess" that was this year's Kentucky Derby is a ridiculous thing to do.

I bet Dunkirk and understand he reportedly was injured.I simply meant what other horses exiting GP have done anything in Derby preps.JoJo failed on poly and I suppose he can be excused for that effort.It's probably much too early to make any conclusions but up to this point I've seen zilch.

This ones for Phil ran two credible races after getting trounced by Quality Road in the FOY. I think one of them he even got moved up to first?
Like Gales said, go back and watch his trip in the Withers. He wasnt going to beat Mr Fantasy, but it would have been closer. This ones for Phil is a really nice horse...Met Mile looming?

Maybe, however If Dunkirk had won by 7, I'm sure there would be more than one Triple Crown post on this board. ;)

:o

If I ever meet you I'll buy you a beer for this.

Yea, if you're gunna call someone mentally ill, then I think you should justify it . I didn't classify you as mentally ill. You did that. I repeated what you told me 1st hand (on this board ..in a thread.)


Now I called you a nitpickin irritant. So, I will justify that by giving you this primer, and people will see it fits your OCD A-S-S to a T.

Nitpicking is the act of removing nits (the eggs of lice, generally head lice) from the host's hair. As the nits are cemented to individual hairs, they cannot be removed with lice combs and, before modern chemical methods were invented, the only options were to shave all the host's hair or to pick them free one by one.

This is a slow and laborious process, as the root of each individual hair must be examined for infestation. It was largely abandoned as modern chemical methods became available; however, as lice populations can and do develop resistance, manual nitpicking is still often necessary.

As nitpicking inherently requires fastidious, meticulous attention to detail, the term has become appropriated to describe the practice of meticulously searching for minor, even trivial errors in detail (often referred to as "nits" as well), and then criticising them.