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Riot 08-25-2009 08:16 PM

This is pretty funny - Jon Stewart explains how FoxNews should now be considered "liberal mainstream media".

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

timmgirvan 08-25-2009 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
You realize the above is exactly what exists now, in private healthcare? The private insurance carriers tell you what doctors and hospitals you can go to, they tell doctors what treatments they will pay for and which they will not (yes, they do dictate medical care to doctors in a way), they can refuse treatment for covered problems after they have agreed to cover it with no legal recourse of the patient (happened to me), and private insurance companies can and do refuse to pay for treatments, or continued treatments, such decisions having caused the deaths of people.

That is WHY healthcare reform and consumer protection is so important. Because what you fear is happening now.

You should know that private plans give the patients a hellova lot more options than HMO or Medicare!

dalakhani 08-26-2009 03:07 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090826/...h_for_clunkers

Some numbers on cash for clunkers

dellinger63 08-26-2009 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

They left out all the GREEN detals of the program! The fact the program saved a half of a day per year in fuel consumption (Yea Scuds we really stuck it to those greedy Arabs w/this one) and 2 hrs per year of green house gases to start in 2 and a half years and last 7 and 1/2 years after. Almost a whole day of emission per TEN years.

dellinger63 08-26-2009 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
This is pretty funny - Jon Stewart explains how FoxNews should now be considered "liberal mainstream media".

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

Wasn't as funny as Obama sending stimulous money to inmates. Wasn't just a single clerical error as FOUR THOUSAND got them! Dirty guards and local drug dealers are benefitting I'm sure. :$: :$: :zz:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...&position=also

Riot 08-26-2009 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
You should know that private plans give the patients a hellova lot more options than HMO or Medicare!

Sometimes.

The point is, first, that patients have options.

Secondly, those options depends upon the private plan you purchase. There are catastrophic only plans, limited plans, companies that don't write in certain states, etc. As you age, or if you develop any medical problems, your options become more and more limited. If you lose or quit your job, you do have the opportunity to purchase (continue) your insurance under COBRA, but good luck on paying for that, as the insurance company will now charge you as an individual for what your boss was paying for in a discounted group. If you cross state lines, you can rarely take your insurance with you - thus you start from scratch. At this point, the new insurer (even if the same "company") can bar you from coverage for anything you've previously made a claim on, or is an ongoing medical problem.

That's how the insurance companies save money. Although rates are estimated to rise 10% this year, regardless of healthcare reform.

It also depends upon the insurance company agreeing to honor the contract it makes with you. You see, it's an unregulated industry, thus, even if you have an expensive, very inclusive plan, the insurance company can choose to alter that plan at their whim. And you have no recourse.

They can drop you if you make a claim, refuse to cover you for things in your policy, rescind your policy, put cap limits on an illness, find something pre-existing in your past history to disallow current treatment (the "famous" one being talked about now in the debate is the person who was denied treatment for malignant melanoma - skin cancer - as they had had acne with treatment in their past)

Health care reform is all about increasing the options people seeking healthcare have.

Riot 08-26-2009 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
They left out all the GREEN detals of the program! The fact the program saved a half of a day per year in fuel consumption (Yea Scuds we really stuck it to those greedy Arabs w/this one) and 2 hrs per year of green house gases to start in 2 and a half years and last 7 and 1/2 years after. Almost a whole day of emission per TEN years.

You're really reaching to find something, anything bad about this, aren't you? :D :tro:

Warm it up, Dell - appliance rebates contained within the stimulus package come later this year

Riot 08-26-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Wasn't as funny as Obama sending stimulous money to inmates. Wasn't just a single clerical error as FOUR THOUSAND got them! Dirty guards and local drug dealers are benefitting I'm sure. :$: :$: :zz:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...&position=also

OH MY GAWD, that's an error rate of 0.007% :eek:

dellinger63 08-26-2009 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
You're really reaching to find something, anything bad about this, aren't you? :D :tro:

Warm it up, Dell - appliance rebates contained within the stimulus package come later this year

Give me a break. Part of this whole BS was the benefit to the environment. If you think saving a half a day of fuel/year and 20 Hrs of 'greenhouse gas emissions' over a 10 year period was worth it so be it. We at least did get a glimpse of what the government considers a success when 2,000 workers failed to process 690,000 rebate forms over the 30 days. Lets see that’s 345 per worker over 30 days or roughly 11 a day (oops they get w/e's off make it 17/day). Now consider how much more complicated an insurance form is and they want to run health care? Funny in a sick way. By the way if your insurance won’t cover you Cook County Hospital (oops now Stroger Hospital) will take you tonight. ChucklestheClown says it’s better than Northwestern Memorial and he’s been to both. :zz:

dellinger63 08-26-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
OH MY GAWD, that's an error rate of 0.007% :eek:

yea you're right ...who cares if 4 murderers and 5 rapists out of 23 (that's 39% from one facility) got some stim. money?

Cannon Shell 08-26-2009 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

An estimated 42,000 jobs will be created or saved during the second half of the year, the White House said.

They just continue to make things up...

Riot 08-26-2009 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
An estimated 42,000 jobs will be created or saved during the second half of the year, the White House said.

They just continue to make things up...

So: them predicting the future is bad, and what they say is a lie; but you predicting the future is true and reliable.

Riot 08-26-2009 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
yea you're right ...who cares if 4 murderers and 5 rapists out of 23 (that's 39% from one facility) got some stim. money?

Yeah, those damn unreliable government programs, millions and millions and millions of participants, and they goof up 0.007 of the time. Terrible!

Riot 08-26-2009 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Give me a break. Part of this whole BS was the benefit to the environment.

Yes, but the overwhelming main purpose was to stimulate the economy. Which it did very well.

I'm serious about the appliance rebates. Get your blood pressure up now ;) (but you don't have to trade anything in)

Cannon Shell 08-26-2009 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
So: them predicting the future is bad, and what they say is a lie; but you predicting the future is true and reliable.

You have to get a clue. They just make these numbers up because there is no way to either verify or deny them. Do they have a crystal ball? How exactly do you count "saved" jobs? You cant. Do you think companies call the White House and say I was gonna lay off 100 people but now I'm not going to? There is a 100 saved?

IF you could validate or prove any of the numbers they would simply pull the same excuse that they used when their unemployement numbers were way off, blame it on the information.

Perhaps if you spent more time doubting the obvious bs that they are shoving in our faces all the time instead of blindly defending political nonsense you may be better able to understand, especially someone with a supposed GOP background.

Cannon Shell 08-26-2009 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Yes, but the overwhelming main purpose was to stimulate the economy. Which it did very well.

I'm serious about the appliance rebates. Get your blood pressure up now ;) (but you don't have to trade anything in)

The actual stimlus provided by Cash for Clunkers is a few drops of water in a 10 gallon bucket. Saying it will provide anything more than a brief and unsustainable blip on the car sales radar screen is silly.

dellinger63 08-26-2009 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

I'm serious about the appliance rebates. Get your blood pressure up now ;) (but you don't have to trade anything in)

will murderers and rapists be getting mini-fridges?

SniperSB23 08-26-2009 11:39 PM

Why are you still arguing with Riot? I'm a liberal and love arguing with you Chuck but the stuff that Riot comes up with is not only amazingly nonpartisan (as she likes to claim) but is borderline mentally retarded. Please Riot, just give it up, you are the most liberal person on this forum times ten and you even scare me. You are like the Timmy of liberals.

dellinger63 08-26-2009 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The actual stimlus provided by Cash for Clunkers is a few drops of water in a 10 gallon bucket. Saying it will provide anything more than a brief and unsustainable blip on the car sales radar screen is silly.

She knows that and knows the environmental benefit is a couple drops in Lake Michigan but never let the truth and or common sense get in the way of people who 'get it'. Whatever 'it' is it's nothing good.

Cannon Shell 08-26-2009 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Why are you still arguing with Riot? I'm a liberal and love arguing with you Chuck but the stuff that Riot comes up with is not only amazingly nonpartisan (as she likes to claim) but is borderline mentally retarded. Please Riot, just give it up, you are the most liberal person on this forum times ten and you even scare me. You are like the Timmy of liberals.

Hell every other liberal gave up...there is no one left to spar with!



Plus she tosses so 81 mph fastballs right down the middle...

She is the Livan Hernandez of political boards.


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