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Dahoss 05-13-2019 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1126438)
I know if I was one of those trainers with a TBA next to my name, I'd be giving him a call. I'm not sure there's a better jock in the country.

Than Prat? He got outridden most of the winter by Rosario.

herkhorse 05-14-2019 05:45 AM

What happened to Sueno? Thought he was in.

RolloTomasi 05-14-2019 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 1126459)
What happened to Sueno? Thought he was in.

Hasn't worked in over a month (since the Lexington).

Alabama Stakes 05-15-2019 10:33 AM

Everfast joins Preakness mix

richard burch 05-15-2019 10:32 PM

Derby Time ?
 
The winning time is listed as 2:03.02.

Is that MS time or CH time?



http://www.equibase.com/premium/char...9&cy=USA&rn=12

Merlinsky 05-15-2019 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1126491)
Everfast joins Preakness mix

Well great. A Take Charge Indy colt from Calumet and Dale Romans? It'd be nice if he did well for all their sakes. I look forward to anything and everything Dale decides to utter between now and race day. It's rather a shame he's such a good trainer. He could be doing stand-up or at the very least tv commentary. Good luck, Dale!

moses 05-15-2019 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 1126535)
The winning time is listed as 2:03.02.

Is that MS time or CH time?



http://www.equibase.com/premium/char...9&cy=USA&rn=12

It’s listed as 2:03.93 - but anyway, it’s Maximum Security's time.

Kasept 05-16-2019 05:30 AM

5/18 (PIM): PREAKNESS STAKES

1. War of Will (Casse/Gaffalione) 4-1
2. Bourbon War (Hennig/I. Ortiz) 12-1
3. Warrior's Charge (Cox/Castellano) 12-1
4. Improbable (Baffert/Smith) 5-2
5. Owendale (Cox/Geroux) 10-1
6. Market King (Lukas/Court) 30-1
7. Alwaysmining (Rubley/Centeno) 8-1
8. Signalman (McPeek/B. Hernandez) 30-1
9. Bodexpress (A. Delgado/J. Velazquez) 20-1
10. Everfast (Romans/Rosario) 50-1
11. Laughing Fox (Asmussen/Santana) 20-1
12. Anothertwistafate (Wright/J. Ortiz) 6-1
13. Win Win Win (Trombetta/Pimental) 15-1

moses 05-17-2019 09:32 AM

It’s been brutally quiet here the past two days.

Anyone have any thoughts on Warrior’s Charge? I’m not crazy about the pedigree with Munnings as the sire...but his last race was a really nice race. I’ve got to think he’s at least got a chance to hit the board.

ninetoone 05-17-2019 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1126562)
It’s been brutally quiet here the past two days.

Anyone have any thoughts on Warrior’s Charge? I’m not crazy about the pedigree with Munnings as the sire...but his last race was a really nice race. I’ve got to think he’s at least got a chance to hit the board.

Reminds me of Bernardini - perhaps more about Castellano and the couple of wins coming in than the running style - Bernardini had already showed signs of being able to come off the pace.

I would leave him off at your own risk!

The obvious questions are the pace scenario (who gets the lead tomorrow) and whether or not he can get the extra furlong....

casp0555 05-17-2019 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1126562)
It’s been brutally quiet here the past two days.

Anyone have any thoughts on Warrior’s Charge? I’m not crazy about the pedigree with Munnings as the sire...but his last race was a really nice race. I’ve got to think he’s at least got a chance to hit the board.

if he could get the lead ala Oxbow he may be a player but I don't see a 48+ half in this race....Im thinking thats going to be Market King's plan. Im hoping that Anothertwist comes out of the gate gunning for position along with a few others and they keep it up on the backstretch. I'll probably lose but my primary players will be WOW, Bourbon War:{>:, and Owendale, Im off Improbable so again, I will probably lose.

Alabama Stakes 05-17-2019 10:35 AM

I think that Jose Ortiz is gonna send Anothertwistafate no matter what they tell him.

casp0555 05-17-2019 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1126571)
I think that Jose Ortiz is gonna send Anothertwistafate no matter what they tell him.

Yep...I agree

moses 05-17-2019 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1126567)
if he could get the lead ala Oxbow he may be a player but I don't see a 48+ half in this race....Im thinking thats going to be Market King's plan. Im hoping that Anothertwist comes out of the gate gunning for position along with a few others and they keep it up on the backstretch. I'll probably lose but my primary players will be WOW, Bourbon War:{>:, and Owendale, Im off Improbable so again, I will probably lose.

I don’t blame you. I’m mixed between tossing WOW or Improbable. Partly value based but also because I like quite a few of the new horses. I feel like WOW will get overbet on the assumption that he would have finished well if not for the foul - but I’m not so sure. Improbable is the most consistent of these horses so it’s hard for me to toss him...but he’s also running his 3rd race in 5 weeks and I wonder how much the Arkansas and Kentucky derby’s took out of him. Baffert himself does not seem overly confident in him.

I’m 100% with you on Bourbon War and Owendale. I absolutely love Owendale in this race and if he doesn’t hit the board then I won’t be cashing a ticket. All my horizontals are going to single him.

Alabama Stakes 05-17-2019 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 1126563)
Reminds me of Bernardini - perhaps more about Castellano and the couple of wins coming in than the running style - Bernardini had already showed signs of being able to come off the pace.

I would leave him off at your own risk!

The obvious questions are the pace scenario (who gets the lead tomorrow) and whether or not he can get the extra furlong....

Bernardini winning the Preakness was the weirdest experience in that we watched the race at Suffolk Downs downstairs. They showed the track feed. The pan shot that you see for every race is on all the TVs. It’s so loud you can’t hear a thing. We watch the race, bet the winner, and are ecstatic. We give my brother the tickets and roll out of there to beat the traffic since the track was jammed. Never even knew Barbaro broke down. RIP Barbaro

knickslions2 05-17-2019 10:58 AM

My two top ones for this race that I will have on tickets are Alwaysmining and Bourbon War. I wont have WOW on any tickets.

moses 05-17-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1126575)
Bernardini winning the Preakness was the weirdest experience in that we watched the race at Suffolk Downs downstairs. They showed the track feed. The pan shot that you see for every race is on all the TVs. It’s so loud you can’t hear a thing. We watch the race, bet the winner, and are ecstatic. We give my brother the tickets and roll out of there to beat the traffic since the track was jammed. Never even knew Barbaro broke down. RIP Barbaro

I had Bernardini that day too. For the win and in the exacta. I was 20 years old and I think that was the biggest ticket I had ever cashed at the time. I wish I had a bigger bankroll then - I think I only cashed for $200-something total on the race.

ninetoone 05-17-2019 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1126581)
I had Bernardini that day too. For the win and in the exacta. I was 20 years old and I think that was the biggest ticket I had ever cashed at the time. I wish I had a bigger bankroll then - I think I only cashed for $200-something total on the race.

I remember having a hundred bucks on Bernardini to win, which was bittersweet, because I was a Barbaro fan and had bet him in the Derby. I know it looks like a redboard, but true. That was the year that the #8 won all three legs of the TC (and I didn't have Jazil in the Belmont).

moses 05-19-2019 10:05 AM

Anyone have thoughts on Owendale’s trip? I’m hearing and seeing a lot of people that think he lost too much ground going wide — but I didn’t think his trip was that bad. Maybe swung wide a little early but he’s got a running style where you want to get him clear.

Alabama Stakes 05-19-2019 10:24 AM

Plenty of peeps were ill that he missed second by an inch.....


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