Please show me where the poll states that. I could't find it.

I said "In step 1 we are now going to 'expand' Medicaid? Is this the same Medicaid we were going to take 2/3 of 'waste money' from?

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31304

You seemed under the impression we were going to use wasted money from Medicaid and apply it to a streamlined system that would cover far more people at a cheaper cost. That was the fodder for my reponse.

And how does a Presdent who uses the post office as a government agency that competes with the private sector admitting it's crappy as an example of gov./private sector competition make sense when applied to a gov. health insurance company?

You didn't read the poll, you were reading an interpretation of the poll. You can find the actual poll on the NBC website.

Don't you think it's scarily significant that 45% of the people interviewed regarding this very important legislation falsely believe something that's absolutely, positively not true?

Kinda like you believing Obama doesn't have a birth certificate, when it's been made public for over a year now.

I'ts not my "impression", Dell. Obama has clearly said that the majority of funding for the healthcare reform package (the parts that need funding) will come from collection of wasted money from Medicare (not Medicaid). I want to see that to believe it.

BTW, the President never said the PO was crappy :) (Try giving the PO, UPS and Fed Ex a regular business letter with an address on it, and see what each charges you for delivery)

The current government health insurance companies apparently do well enough, that you can't find anybody covered by them that wants to give up their coverage :p

Answer this for me, Dell: do you buy your own health insurance, or is your health insurance paid for by your employer, or do you have no health insurance?

It's the interpretation of the bill. No there will be no panel deciding whether grandma dies or lives but there will surely be panels who decide what Dr.'s and hospitals you can go to and how often that for some will be a death sentence.

Ah, now I see, I think you are confusing two entirely different topics regarding healthcare reform.

One proposal made (but not strongly supported, and I think it's off the table) is to expand Medicaid to be more inclusive, and pick up more people (lessening the number of uninsured that will have to be covered by other parts of healthcare reform).

The second is how the healthcare reform bill overall costs will be paid for, which involves savings from waste in Medicare.

It is much more troubling to me when the Attorney General says things that are absolutely, positively not true.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...019115348.html


Its scary that 53% of Americans thought Obama would be the answer. That wont happen again.



And Obama brought the Birth Certificate thing on himself by refusing to allow the public to see it. It isnt like it is nude photos or something...

You realize the above is exactly what exists now, in private healthcare? The private insurance carriers tell you what doctors and hospitals you can go to, they tell doctors what treatments they will pay for and which they will not (yes, they do dictate medical care to doctors in a way), they can refuse treatment for covered problems after they have agreed to cover it with no legal recourse of the patient (happened to me), and private insurance companies can and do refuse to pay for treatments, or continued treatments, such decisions having caused the deaths of people.

That is WHY healthcare reform and consumer protection is so important. Because what you fear is happening now.

Sometimes I wonder if you understand what you are fighting for?
If you have doubts that the majority of funding for healthcare reform will come from the collection of wasted more from Medicare then how can you possibly support these measures? The only way to find out if it can happen is to do it! What if your suspicions are correct? Too late.

The Post office loses billions of dollars a year. They have farmed out much of their overnight business (which is lucrative) to UPS and FedEX because they are not nearly as good as the private companies.

The current govt health insurance companies are free. Who gives up free stuff?

Yeah, I don't know about Holder. We'll see.

Obama put his birth certificate out there over a year ago during the campaign. It's on the internet.

Here: for the few remaining conspiracy theorists <vbg>

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama...ertificate.asp

I pay for my own. Had a heart check and lung (MRI) independant of the insurance kind of a home inspection. I do have a large deductable that keeps the policy very reasonable for what it covers if things go bad. And yes I'm happy w/it.

Because I don't automatically and unthinkingly segregate complex social issues into political black and white, for and against, based upon political affiliation?

I will agree it does happen now but just as I would trust UPS or FedEx way more than the Post Office with something important/expensive I trust private insurance and for that matter private Dr.'s more than a government panel with decisions that are pretty important....

Everybody is happy with their insurance coverage until they are not :) Especially the younger one is, and the less pre-existing conditions one has.

Wouldn't you like your insurance company to be willing to cover more preventative care, rather than repairative care, like that MRI?

If that MRI you paid for because you wanted good preventative care had found something (let's say something minor you need to keep an eye on in the future), do you realize that your insurance company can choose to arbitrarily and immediately drop you for any future coverage stemming from those findings, or put limits on how much they will pay for any problem during your lifetime.

Don't you find that a little scary?

Usually when someone is so heavily in favor of trillion dollar projects they dont have potential issues with the funding sources of said project. Show me an example where I have come out against any policy of anyone without solid reasoning.

I recognize politics for what it is and politicians for what they are.

Which is why legislation should be written that prevents these unfortunate issues. That is the answer, not Trillion dollar govt programs with suspect funding.

But of course the Lawyers and Insurance lobbys wont have that will they?

That is exactly what the current healthcare reform packages include.

Nowhere near as scary as a congressional appointed panel deciding who gets care and who doesn't no matter whether it leans right or left. Will postal employees get preferential treatment, teachers? Let the private sector decide based on monetary considerations that correspond far more closely to the amount an individual contributed to social and government programs in the first place. You know Capitalism, the American Way!

Not exactly...