I seem to remember all this POTN conversation started when IWR won the Gotham, then The Wood, and when Papa Clem won the Arkansas Derby. Essentially the crux of the discussion to bring it back to some semblance of logic here was could he transfer his synth form to dirt, and probably in this case improve as IWR and or PC did. I don't think anyone here said he was very good, great, whatever word you choose. Though no one should be judged on solely 1 race, I think we can conclude he is not simply a synth and or turf horse, that we know based on 1 isolated race.

Just for you, I'm gunna go back in, and add winner of the Gotham and Wood Memorial to the list of horses POTN HAS BEATEN. This problem your having (with these edited posts) is OCD related. If your checking whether someone edits a post(and it's not a contest or something,) then you have a problem.
EDITED!!!!!!!
POTN has now beaten the winner of the Illinois Derby, Arkansas Derby(beat him on syn n' dirt by a remarkably similar distance,) Blue Grass, Lanes End, Louisiana Derby, U.A.E. Derby, Tampa Bay Derby, and he's beaten the horse who ran a decent 2nd in the Florida Derby. Oh, he also beat the winner of the Gotham and Wood Memorial. He beat that individual twice.

Do you guys think that Borel would have ridden that horse the same way if the trainer were, say, John Ward and the horse were 15-1 instead of 50-1? I dont mean the rail part. I mean the part where he took the horse 30 lengths back which was against instruction.

^^SEE MY PREVIOUS POST. IT'S UPDATED.:eek: :baby: :L:

He does have a good opinion like many others here do also, it doesn't mean we cannot disagree. If we all agreed all races would feature 1:9 shots and several @ 99-1.

He got wasted at the start. When they opened the gates Join in the Dance took him and Papa Clem out, I figured that was the end for both of them.

Wrong again, just like everything else on this Derby for me. Hell, even my 3 year streak of picking the last place finisher is out the door. Went with Join in the Dance and he finished a very credible 7th.

i thought he got shuffled back at the break. i don't think being last, that far back was part of the plan, it's just how things happened. i doubt the trainer got mad at him!

Ha! i used your pick 4 method. i did 3 120 dollar tickets. then i did a 36 dollar saver.

1/2/3 w 3 w 6 w deep derby.

Mine that bird wasnt in deep derby.

Back to the drawing board.

20 bucks (all button) away from 20k. Back to the drawing board.

The thing with the drop back move is that so many of the horses in the race are incapable of going 10 furlongs at race speed. Borel takes advantage of this... he basically removes himself from the 'meat' of the race and asks the horse to run for 3 1/2-4 furlongs while most everyone else is asked to run harder longer.

He basically rode the Derby the same way three years in a row now, and is 3-2-0-1. Not bad.

One guy on this board scored out with good ticket structure on the derby- and it sure as hell wasn't me.

No, I don't do it. You'll have to get one of your goons to respond to it.

you need to get out more. :zz:

You actually went through all the tickets? :tro: :zz:

It's amazing that in 19 & 20 horse fields that he has been able to stay away from trouble and take advantage of ground saving rail skimming trips.
I forgot who said it, but obviously he has gotten through on the biggest of stages. How many times does he not get through (maybe when he does have the best horse) when the world is not watching?

how did you do overall?

why do they keep leaving the door open for him?