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Athletics005 02-28-2008 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Oh, a post from someone on the internet backs him up.

Not to me.


Read the article I just posted. Striaght from the source. Heartbreaking. "We decided, though, that this was the type of filly we'd wanted all our lives," Vella said. "We loved her, and we wanted to race her and breed her. Who knows? She might have even gone to Lost in the Fog, since he was probably heading to stud in Kentucky.

blackthroatedwind 02-28-2008 08:14 PM

Sounds like a big leap to blame Belmont for spraying something. Coincidence? Yes.

How's the lawsuit going? I assume there is one.

my miss storm cat 02-28-2008 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

That is the one. Trained by Mark Casse, won a couple stakes at Woodbine.

Sovereign Award winner. She was really good.

blackthroatedwind 02-28-2008 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Athletics005
Read the article I just posted. Striaght from the source. Heartbreaking. "We decided, though, that this was the type of filly we'd wanted all our lives," Vella said. "We loved her, and we wanted to race her and breed her. Who knows? She might have even gone to Lost in the Fog, since he was probably heading to stud in Kentucky.


I saw Hovdey's article you posted after I saw the internet post, which is why I deleted my post, but I still think it is incredibly irresponsible for Aleo to make the claim he did.

He was rightfully upset.

Athletics005 02-28-2008 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Sounds like a big leap to blame Belmont for spraying something. Coincidence? Yes.

How's the lawsuit going? I assume there is one.


Aleo flat out admits the spray was a rumor. However, the connection between these two horses is undeniable.

Cannon Shell 02-28-2008 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY they would spray a potentially carcinogenic substance into the Belmont barns with hundreds of millions of horseflesh soon to be stabled there (let alone ANY horses).

Actually they might...but why does it only cause cancer in good horses and if something was sprayed why only these 2 stalls and why no other incidents? You would have to believe that other barns would have been sprayed with the same substance and yet there are no reports of an unusual number of cancer deaths at Belmont.

Danzig 02-28-2008 08:18 PM

"But with people and with cats I'm told there is some association with a type of virus"

that is taken from the article above, and imo is where the research needs to focus, rather than something sprayed in the barn area.

Danzig 02-28-2008 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Actually they might...but why does it only cause cancer in good horses and if something was sprayed why only these 2 stalls and why no other incidents? You would have to believe that other barns would have been sprayed with the same substance and yet there are no reports of an unusual number of cancer deaths at Belmont.

exactly

Coach Pants 02-28-2008 08:19 PM

Csi: Belmont

blackthroatedwind 02-28-2008 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Sovereign Award winner. She was really good.


She ran one big race setting a moderate pace while loose on the lead.....and more than a few poor races. Let's not get carried away because she died an unfortunate death.

SentToStud 02-28-2008 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Actually they might...but why does it only cause cancer in good horses and if something was sprayed why only these 2 stalls and why no other incidents? You would have to believe that other barns would have been sprayed with the same substance and yet there are no reports of an unusual number of cancer deaths at Belmont.

Same reason as when one heavy smoker twin brother dies at 60 and the other heavy smoker twin is still going strong at 85?

Doesn't always make sense....

Danzig 02-28-2008 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I saw Hovdey's article you posted after I saw the internet post, which is why I deleted my post, but I still think it is incredibly irresponsible for Aleo to make the claim he did.

He was rightfully upset.

people will make a lot of statements when they are emotional, that otherwise would never make the light of day.

it also explains why some take it so personally when a horse doesn't make a list of 25 in 20 years....

Cannon Shell 02-28-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Same reason as when one heavy smoker twin brother dies at 60 and the other heavy smoker twin is still going strong at 85?

Doesn't always make sense....

None of it makes sense

blackthroatedwind 02-28-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

it also explains why some take it so personally when a horse doesn't make a list of 25 in 20 years....


I completely agree......


....you should see the hole I put in my wall when I didn't see Dynever on anyone's list.

Coach Pants 02-28-2008 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I completely agree......


....you should see the hole I put in my wall when I didn't see Dynever on anyone's list.

!!OOOOOOOOOO!!

Cannon Shell 02-28-2008 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I completely agree......


....you should see the hole I put in my wall when I didn't see Dynever on anyone's list.

He is on my Saudi marathon horse list along with Passing Ships

RolloTomasi 02-28-2008 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
He's right about the filly dying of the same lymphoma and where they were stabled... but I don't buy the reason given by Aleo. There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY they would spray a potentially carcinogenic substance into the Belmont barns with hundreds of millions of horseflesh soon to be stabled there (let alone ANY horses).

Aleo called it a rumor, so I wouldn't be quick to say he was necessarily placing any blame.

As far as spraying for rats, Santa Anita hires out pest control companies that spray around the barn area and set baited traps all over the place.

In general, I wouldn't count on racetrack management to display or consider any horsemanship when making those sorts of decisions, especially as far as the maintenance crew is concerned.

philcski 02-28-2008 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Sovereign Award winner. She was really good.

I remember her being interesting at long odds in the Juvy Fillies. Ran a pretty even 5th or 6th.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Actually they might...but why does it only cause cancer in good horses and if something was sprayed why only these 2 stalls and why no other incidents? You would have to believe that other barns would have been sprayed with the same substance and yet there are no reports of an unusual number of cancer deaths at Belmont.

They're pretty f*ckin stupid if they would do that...

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I completely agree......


....you should see the hole I put in my wall when I didn't see Dynever on anyone's list.

I laughed

Cannon Shell 02-28-2008 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

In general, I wouldn't count on racetrack management to display or consider any horsemanship when making those sorts of decisions, especially as far as the maintenance crew is concerned.

Sad but true


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