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DaTruth 05-12-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 646712)
i doubt you can afford the fee.


rachel was a phenom in '09. not sure why you think last years accolades have anything to do with this year. but then, that question has been posed to you 347 different ways, and you haven't answered it yet.

He still thinks it is 2009. His 2010 Santa Anita calendar hasn't been delivered yet.

10 pnt move up 05-12-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 646716)
the 'caddy' did poorly last out, from what i recall.


shipping over the rockies has some downfalls

Smooth Operator 05-12-2010 12:57 PM

Alright, I'll give it a rest (before SB boots my azz out of here).


Just one final question for the RA fans:


Will she actually win a race before we reach the halfway point in the season????? :D

slotdirt 05-12-2010 01:01 PM

The Zenyatta halfway point, i.e., sometime in mid-September, or the actual halfway point of the calendar year?

CSC 05-12-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 646701)
It must be really depressing to be a diehard Zenyatta fan to the point where you can't appreciate the mare on her own and every discussion had about the horse you love can only happen by disparaging another horse.

It has to be a really pitiful feeling to know that you can't even love a horse without having to use another one in reference to her all the time.

Stack that on top of all those sour grapes from January and it's got to be a really dark place.

Brian, Considering all the posts we could dig up last year after the Woodward including some that I am sure belong to you, I think Zenyatta fans are behaving quite admirally this year.

NTamm1215 05-12-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 646738)
I think Zenyatta fans are behaving quite admirally this year.

Maybe it's more corporally?

NT

the_fat_man 05-12-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 646719)
Just one final question for the RA fans:


Will she actually win a race before we reach the halfway point in the season????? :D

Hell YES!!!!

Just as soon as they get the jock, exercise rider, and equipment issues straightened out. And, it's not her fault she keeps running into FAST horses. I mean, it's not like she'd have had any trouble with that SLOW Zenyatta.:rolleyes: Blame the connections for not running her in the AB. She would've GALLOPED, as slow as they ran.:rolleyes:

CSC 05-12-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 646710)
I also read quite a bit of his work when I first got into the game. I respect him for what he did and for continuing to write insightfully about the game. But I don't presently respect his opinion nor his position regarding change. His trip handicapping is average, at best; and he was FORCED, finally, to admit that his synthetic figures were, basically, USELESS, by having to ad hoc TWEAK THEM. Before doing so, however, he (and his crew) felt the need to trash POLY horses -- it wasn't his figures but the horses. All of a sudden, BEYERITES became the defenders of DIRT. This would be fine if it wasn't so self serving. In the meantime, with so many POLY horses crossing over and beating DIRT horses on their surface, and his poor opinion of Z, he's on the brink of getting exposed.

BEYER == DIRT DEFENDER

This is a very interesting post...I'll say this atleast not all at DRF do not recognize how special a talent Zenyatta is. Ie. Steve Crist

brianwspencer 05-12-2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 646738)
Brian, Considering all the posts we could dig up last year after the Woodward including some that I am sure belong to you, I think Zenyatta fans are behaving quite admirally this year.

In the middle of a HOY battle, yes, certainly the two would need to be discussed in reference to one another. You're not going to shock anyone by digging up posts.

It's the fact that five months into 2010, Zenyatta fans apparently aren't confident enough with her record and performances standing on their own merits, because they are never able to discuss her without trashing Rachel. If the only way you can build up Zenyatta is by trashing Rachel, then she's not as special as you claim she is, because otherwise you'd be able to let her body of work speak for itself.

And you have certainly not proven capable of doing that. Oh well.

CSC 05-12-2010 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 646719)
Alright, I'll give it a rest (before SB boots my azz out of here).


Just one final question for the RA fans:


Will she actually win a race before we reach the halfway point in the season????? :D

Steve has never booted anyone since I've been posting here for expressing a reasonable opinion. That we can all be sure of. :tro: In Byk we trust...

CSC 05-12-2010 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 646748)
In the middle of a HOY battle, yes, certainly the two would need to be discussed in reference to one another. You're not going to shock anyone by digging up posts.

It's the fact that five months into 2010, Zenyatta fans apparently aren't confident enough with her record and performances standing on their own merits, because they are never able to discuss her without trashing Rachel. If the only way you can build up Zenyatta is by trashing Rachel, then she's not as special as you claim she is, because otherwise you'd be able to let her body of work speak for itself.

And you have certainly not proven capable of doing that. Oh well.

I miss Drugs, well not really...maybe he would but that would only be a last resort for me.

the_fat_man 05-12-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 646752)
I miss Drugs, well not really...maybe he would but that would only be a last resort for me.

As soon as DrugS comes back, and once they get settled over at PID (I don't have the time to do all the charts for last year's meet), I was going to engage him in some plays there. You're more than welcome to join us. I invited Nick but he was too busy trying to figure out why Z's connections were taking such a conservative path WHILE, nonetheless, acknowledging that he thought she was a very nice mare, to join us. Hopefully, being my 2nd choice won't stand in your way. :rolleyes:

CSC 05-12-2010 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 646763)
As soon as DrugS comes back, and once they get settled over at PID (I don't have the time to do all the charts for last year's meet), I was going to engage him in some plays there. You're more than welcome to join us. I invited Nick but he was too busy trying to figure out why Z's connections were taking such a conservative path WHILE, nonetheless, acknowledging that he thought she was a very nice mare, to join us. Hopefully, being my 2nd choice won't stand in your way. :rolleyes:

I appreciate the offer, however I know my limitations. PID is not a track I am heavily going to invest time on researching to put out my best effort forward. In addition I would have too much fun watching you and Drugs engage in an ol fashion handicapping contest to inject myself into the equation. However I will certainly try the Spa contest as having prematurely blown my loads too early there last yr to hopefully make ammends this year. Perhaps this venue is more appropiate? Though with me I as with you, I especially like to play turf and synth races. Maybe those should be possibilities down the line.

Indian Charlie 05-14-2010 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 645694)
BTW's "I" collection:

I promise you will no longer be losing money on him. but suggesting I have in any way " pissed " on this takes the cake.

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and he wonders why I was cranky...I have a monster chest cold...I was lying in bed, trying to enjoy

I had to revisit this post.

Danzig 05-14-2010 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 647282)
I had to revisit this post.

i wish you hadn't.
i dont understand why.
i need to get in the shower, else
i will be late to work.
i hope you have a great day.

brianwspencer 05-14-2010 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 647282)
I had to revisit this post.

Of course YOU did.


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