Originally Posted by Danzig

i read timms comments earlier on hitler, and thought perhaps they were incorrect...so i took the time this evening to get my two volume ian kershaw bio of hitler off the shelf....large books, but well written and worth the time it takes to read them if you're at all interested in trying to figure out that whole horrible time, and how he managed to get in power, what made him, etc.

at any rate, i pored over the index of both books, and satanism is nowhere in there. i don't believe a guy could write approximately 2000 pages on one person and not touch on satanism--this bio is pretty detailed--so i have to believe that perhaps it's not the case. certainly it could be elsewhere, but i can't recall seeing it before today.
as for jews being attacked to make a master race, that's not the case. hitler loathed and despised the jews-he blamed them for losing ww 1, for the subsequent difficulties and loss of land after the war, the economic troubles, etc. basically everything that went wrong from ww1's beginning right on thru til he attained power-and he fed that hatred and acted upon it til the day he died. he didn't force the jews out of the german economy, out of the country, encourage kristallnacht, and then decide on extermination because he wanted a master race; it was hate and a thirst for revenge that brought it about. he hated the jews simply for being Jewish.

from mein kampf (and quoted in the kershaw book) 'the sacrifice of millions at the front' would not have been necessary if 'twelve or fiften thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas'. absolutely chilling stuff.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Amongst many of the stories that go with Adolph Hitler ris that he was involved in a secret satanist society called the thule group.

I dont know if its true or not but I think that is what Timmi is referring to. Surely it has never been proven.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Amongst many of the stories that go with Adolph Hitler is that he was involved in a secret satanist society called the thule group.

I dont know if its true or not but I think that is what Timmi is referring to. Surely it has never been proven.

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I never saw them mention satanism or concentration camps once in any episode of Hogan's Heroes so it an't be true

Originally Posted by Danzig

but returning to the hitler issue a moment....every once in a while someone will write to the paper who is anti-evolution, and invariably they bring up the argument that 'hitler believed in evolution' so therefore anyone who believes in that theory must be a nazi-or something to that effect. always seems a compelling argument to me. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I :{>: Sarah

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Amongst many of the stories that go with Adolph Hitler is that he was involved in a secret satanist society called the thule group.

I dont know if its true or not but I think that is what Timmi is referring to. Surely it has never been proven.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Hmmmm.....



So wait, someone looked it up. I think someone needs to get their head out of something, and it ain't DailyKos. Thanks for taking the time to look that up.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yes, the idea that US surveillance couldnt capture the movement of stockpiles of chemical and nuclear weapons is highly plausible.

Its just as plausible that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11 in the first place.

Or as plausible that the reason we are over there is to liberate the Iraqi people.

Or as plausible that oil had nothing to do with it.

Or as plausible that cheney and the boys didnt make a lot of money from it



Yes im sure these ideas are all highly plausible.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Seriously? The hell difference does it make what your friend in the Navy thought we'd find? What kind of point is that? Did we find anything? Did the U.N. Inspectors find anything? Did it matter?

Bush used the ripe fear from 9/11 to scare everyone into going with the war. The Democrats don't get a free pass from me, but the Bush administration is ultimately responsible.

They were the ones pulling the god damn trigger, what difference does it make what the American people thought? The fact that the majority of the country was for the war doesn't mean anything. The bottom line is that this was a totally unnecessary war that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and will cost at least $2 trillion. Enough to rebuild every road, bridge and tunnel in America. How can you possibly excuse this? The blood is on the hands of the geniuses who trusted Bush, and now we're supposed to trust a guy who wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely instead of one who called the war a terrible idea from day one? Get ****ed.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...classified.pdf

This is an declassified report sent to the leaders of Congress, which they largely ignored because it was politically expedient to do so! Fox had it on their site...but they didn't manufacture the pdf to Congress
As has been mentioned before, the entire landscape of Iraq turns out to be an ammo dump!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=48827

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...gs_30sep04.pdf
Read the report...just one of many if you took the time.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...h_02052004.htm
Another long report, but it sets up the decision process. I think you have the time....just pop a couple brewski's

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

new polls from Russia are in, apparently they also want change. Obama seems to be the second most popular politician in Russia, trailing only the wildly popular Putin.

i can almost see the campaign banners in Moscow...

PUTIN / OBAMA '08...THE CHANGE WE NEED


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080910/...russia_poll_dc

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

All these damn words. Hey, Geedubbya told us they had WMD. They weren't there, and he said fk it we're here. Anybody doesn't like it, then s-u-c-k my stub. All I am saying is if they moved them, then show us them being moved. All the fancy satellite stuff didn't catch it being moved? In 5 years, we didn't bribe somebody with enough money to show us some photos of them in whatever country they are in?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Neither of these links do anything to support your point. Neither. Come on, timmi, take some ginko and some geritol and get to digging up something good.

You are making yourself look really bad here.