I second that.

When will Kent D ever learn, I'm sure this was missed with the focus on Zenyatta, he once again stopped riding a horse (Summer Bird) who may or may not have finshed 3rd in the Classic with a more vigorous ride approx 25 yds prior to the finish line.

Hey it's only a difference of 200k! What's the big deal? LOL

He did stop riding him which may or may not have cost him 3rd but honestly he ran better than any dirt horse all day and was spinning his wheels at the 1/2 mile pole. He ran 4th on talent alone, he hated the surface. I talked to Tim Ice after and he was happy with the result, he lost nothing in defeat IMO and obviously is 3yo champion male and the early 2010 BCC favorite.

Why is rain in the forecast for BCC 2010?

I'm not including Rachel in the weather forecast. Otherwise he's the clear 2nd choice.

yea, guess so, though I dont think she was a shadow of her four year old ability.

I wonder if Ice will ask for a refund of the 10% Jock's fees. In a 5 million dollar race the guy doesn't see fit to ride out for 3rd. Go figure...

I think it is 5% for 4th in CA stakes though it might be different

as nice as it was in Louisville this weekend, there is no doubt it will be raining and bitter cold next year.

Its Ky how cold does it ever get in Nov. 50 degrees?

COLD

this ain't the south, it's the midwest

Summer Bird had zero chance at staying ahead of Twice Over...

out of town riders usually get 10%

I wouldn't say that, whether it is a 0% chance or a 30-40% chance is probably more accurate, someone should tell Kent D people do play Tri's or show bet in races.

BC '06 in L-ville was a balmy like 43 degrees at post time for the Classic.

The Breeders' Cup is about horses and racing, not the weather. I had a blast at both the '06 and '07 Breeders' Cup despite the less than beach-like weather. When you're having fun, the weather is an afterthought.

It might be -3 at CD next year but I'll be there, no doubt about it.

NT

Yeah I love Drape saying he'd like to see it permanently at SA.....What a nightmare.

If they go back to dirt at SA it should go on a

SA
CHurch
Bel
X

rotation.. with x of course being monmouth, lone star, or whatever.

I wish they had not shrunk Gulfstream.. the '99 BC was a blast there!

Hey, I'm not saying I won't be there next year at CD, but there's no denying that it's more likely to be cold there than at Santa Anita.

If there was no such thing as dirt racing in America, I might hear this argument.

But also the BC is about recognizing stars and champions, and those stars and champions come from all over. Every racetrack in America contributes to the big picture of horse racing and therefore should have a chance to host the big event.

It's kind of like the US Open... they use a few of the same courses because they work so well, but when you venture outside the box and try a Bethpage Black, you can really hit a home run.

Oh I know, I'm just emphasizing the fact that weather being a determining factor in BC placement is overrated.

NT

Is it mad crowded on Florida Derby Day or is the end of January (during Derby preps) a better time to go?

Having been to the Breeders Cups when they were at Woodbine, Arlington, Lone Star and Monmouth, I can't agree with this statement, especially if you are trying to be fan-friendly. (The big-wigs will always have good seating, etc.) The host track needs to have sufficient permanent seating and to be large enough to handle the likely crowds. Don't get me wrong, I thought the people at Arlington and Lone Star tried their best to do a good job, but when fans are told that they don't have access to the main building, that's a problem, especially if the weather does not cooperate.

For all the obvious reasons, you'd think that you want to have a warm-weather site host your championship event, especially since racing is "played outdoors." That's why the Super Bowl is usually in Florida, New Orleans or California. It's too bad that Stronach ruined Gulfstream; it used to be the best Breeders Cup venue.

me too!!!

yes too crowded on FL Derby. went there once for FL Derby since the "new" track was made and I left after about 5 minutes.

We have a fantastic time for the Donn weekend though.

Let me know when you are going to make the trip!

That Breeder's Cup will always hold a special wagering place in my heart.

Stevens and Bailey on $60+ horses. Not to mention the Chavez double of Beautiful Pleasure and Artax

Thanks and I will!