Facts, Shmacts.

Riot says he's guilty and we all know that she's never wrong, so let's just skip the court case and just fry the bastard......................:rolleyes:

My statement didn't go to Zimmerman's trial results (technical guilt or innocence), but the obvious fact that if Zimmerman had not been carrying a loaded gun, and paid attention to Martin, Martin would not be dead.

Zimmerman wasn't even on "neighborhood watch", he was on his way to Target. His mere presence and loaded gun started the events of the night that ended with Martin's death.

I think the family has dampened that down alot. Most people simply wanted a trial, including the family. There will always be those anarchists and violence-junkies that will use any excuse to riot.

No. I have not said he's guilty. I've said IMO the evidence was overwhelming that he needed to be charged, and that once he was arrested and charged, I have said I was happy to let the court system decide that.

:D

Either the prosecution has evidence of which we yet have no knowledge, or they screwed up by not going for manslaughter instead of murder, which is why I'm waiting for the facts as presented in a trial.

I've notice that you've already decided that Zimmerman is not possibly guilty of second-degree murder - pending other evidence you may not have. Right?

I'm sorry, I'm probably wrong. After reading this again, it sounds like you are still on the fence about him being guilty.....................

Sorry I misunderstood your post, then. I too thought that you were pronouncing Zimmerman guilty.

Yes, Zimmerman was carrying a gun, and it is accepted that he followed Martin. So far, nothing illegal done there. The questions - and I'm wondering what evidence will be presented to answer them - are who initiated physical contact, how it escalated, and also whether Zimmerman attempted to withdraw from contact once it began. In reading opinions on Florida law, it seems that Zimmerman could have a good case for self-defense even if he initially provoked the confrontation. But then, as I said, I'm giving this opinion without benefit of all the facts.

I laughed.

Wow, I guess I should have gone back and read all 23 pages of posts here. :zz:

I can't believe you guys don't remember everything Dr. Doonothing says. Get to searching before you question her.

Yes, he's guilty - as he's admitted of - of being there, of having the gun, of shooting Trayvon Martin. That's exactly why he needed to be arrested and tried.

And now he is. As I've said, I'll let the court system decided to what degree he is punished, or let off for killing Trayvon. Yes, I think the penalty should be severe, and yes, I'l let the court system decide now.

You're confusing my statements on his guilt that should have lead to an arrest, (yes, he's guilty of shooting Trayvon Martin and should be arrested), with the guilty or innocent verdict coming from his trial.

Yes, I think he's guilty of shooting Trayvon Martin, he's admitted he's guilty of shooting Trayvon Martin, Trayvon wouldn't be dead if Zimmerman had not been carrying a loaded gun and thought himself a vigilante, and yes, I'll let the court decide if it's 2nd or manslaughter, or nothing (justified).

You are incredible. You have no idea what you are talking about, have clearly expressed his guilt despite the lack of credible evidence, and would have hanged this guy despite the actual evidence.

There is no bigger hypocrite on this board then you. It is clear to everyone on this board outside of your lackys bigrun and somerwhatever that you have zero credibility.

Here is an interesting take on media's irresponsibility in this matter which you will immediately dismiss due to the source. The funny thing about it is that the media organizations that you love are the ones that have intentionally tried to distort the facts of this case.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...d-media-didnt/

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Geeshus effing cripes, get a grip on reality, you rude and angry idiot. That post is from before Trayvon was arrested. You already screamed at me for daring to have that opinion - that Trayvon should be arrested - weeks ago.

And no, I would not have killed Zimmerman without evidence. What an exaggerating, foolish loon you are. Get over it. All people don't agree with you.

Are you too stupid to effing read the thread and follow along with the posts of today?

You are a fool. You lack so much credibility that you turn people in the opposite direction even on issues I agree with you on. People are tired of your ridiculous long winded foolish rants.

And you're a di.ckhead. You are a bloviating moron that is too stupid to pay attention before he indulges in a self-rightous rant against another poster, and then refuses to even apologize when caught being a fool.

There - isn't it great to call names! Just what is needed here! More personal attacks! Good job, Pointman!

Apologize to you for pointing out the truth that you are a huge hypocrite? That is really funny.

Do the sport a favor and take a position against Lasix so it will not get banned.

No. I mean apologizing that your ranting out-of-nowhere personal attack was based on you being stupid: not paying attention, not reading today's thread, and conflated posts from the past with statements of today.

It's not my fault that you just came out of nowhere as a rude dick. You did that all on your own.

You truly live in your own world.

Kevin, please stop.

We don't need facts or stories about the case, Riot will tells us what we should think.

I live in a world where rude little internet dickheads that come out of nowhere calling me hypocrite because they are have a little hysterical hissy fit don't get to blame their rude behaviour on me.

There was a nice discussion going on here before the predictable few decided to interrupt and make it a personal attack. You can't help small minds and angry insecure egos. You are what you are. Try harder to not be a joke.

You live in a world where you continually ignore the evidence that is staring you in the face. You think that you are right about everything and have no tolerance for dissent. When people disagree with you, you call everyone else names and claim they are rude when you are too stupid to realize that no one assaults others and throws more insults at others than you.

You really need to get a job and a life that is something other than posting here 24/7 while the rest of us hard working people are forced to support losers like you.

I wonder if that had anything to do with why he wasn't charged. The police department was known for multiple problems, the current chief was brought in specifically to fix them (why the town supported him through this, I'm sure)

Maybe they didn't charge Zimmerman because they just didn't have the manpower and capability to go forward well.

The predictable few? What a laugh! It is always multiple posters against one ignoramous, YOU!!! Why is it that you find yourself against multiple people that call you out and you still think that the others are the problem and not you? Wake up and smell the coffee jackass.

You can probably get help for your inability to tolerate other people you don't like in a social setting.

I have a wonderful, complex, challenging job that pays well, and allows me lots of free time, thanks :tro:

Look - you jumped into the conversation out of nowhere attacking me, and you were caught being stupid doing it. Now you are going all in to try and blame me for your acting so ridiculously. You dislike me? So sorry for you. Looks like you have something you have to learn to deal with.

No you don't, you are here all day long and you are not fooling anyone.

There is no such thing as a nice discussion with you if someone does not agree with your position.

Why do strangers on the internet feel compelled to tell other people what they think and do? :D Their delusion of their own importance must be spectacular.

You started this little fight. Time for you to go away now, unhappy, angry little person. You might try delete if you don't like reading the posts of somebody you don't know on the internet. You've ruined this thread. Not me. Dickhead.

Oh. My. God.

You may have surpassed KRIM

If you don't realize that this perfectly describes you then the help you need is beyond anything anyone here can provide. Thank you for proving once again the hypocrite you really are.

:D You guys have no idea how many people here are laughing at you.

Some of you guys haven't changed for years. You're predictable little internet personalities, and everyone here knows who you are and what your little bully games are.

I hope you feel better, interrupting an internet thread to yell and start a fight with a person you don't know, but know you don't like. Good for you, big guy! ;) Be sure to blame me for making poor you behave so badly as you slam the door on your way out. Dickhead.

I know you have to have the last word because you think that you win. You are wrong politicunt. You have made a grand fool of yourself once again. Carry on with your never ending rants, distortion of facts and never ending condescending remarks towards those that disagree with you. You are a legend in your own mind.

My computer is wringing with irony.

And when a man resorts to cursing misogyny to degrade a woman, he's shown his true stripes. Well done! :tro:

Seriously, Pointman - you started this. Not me. You jumped into the thread with personal attacks. You're the one freaking out with anger and dislike.

Go have a margarita or something.

what a mess. seems imo that based on all the evidence i've read about (and obviously you only know what's given) that perhaps the police dept 'pre-judged' for lack of a better word what had happened when they arrived at the scene...that it was felt from the beginning that they weren't actually investigating a crime, and so things weren't done as well as they should have been. a lot of assuming went on, between thinking zimmerman was on foot (why wasn't that asked?), assuming martin didn't belong in the neighborhood, assuming he was trespassing....way, way too much assuming.

as all this has gone on, there have been plenty of surprises along the way. shoddy investigative work, too much info released to the media at various points along the way, you have charges filed that appear to be in response to the public outcry, and perhaps not in response to what's been found in an investigation...in other words, a clusterf*ck of epic proportions. seems to me the police mishandled the case from the very first moment, that it's certainly too late now to remedy that situation, and that they probably are wasting their time at this point in having filed charges because you only do so if you feel that you have a good case. i don't think they do at all at this point.
going to be hard to find an untainted jury pool, the investigation is full of holes, you have the law of stand your ground.....
like i said weeks ago, this guy will most likely walk. whether he is guilty of murder or not, i doubt they'll be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt all things considered. it's a weak case, apparently brought only to settle down all the people screaming for charges to be filed. and probably explains why they didn't convene a grand jury; i doubt one would have recommended moving forward.

Oh, I see you can insult me with a male body part with impunity but when I go back at you with the equivalent of a female body part I am a misogynist. :rolleyes:

Once again proving the incredible hypocrite you are.

My dislike of you has nothing to do with your gender and you know that but you love to try to deflect the real issue when you are called out.

There was an article about this. I posted the link earlier in the thread. It said the shot came at extremely close range. There were gun powder burns on Trayvon's sweatshirt and on his skin.

The articles say the voice experts at the FBI could not determine whose voice it was.

By the way, there is no chance the voice was Trayvon's. Zimmerman was the one getting beaten up. Zimmerman was the one on the bottom getting punched in the face and having his head banged against the ground. Who do you think was yelling for help, the guy on the bottom who is getting beaten up, or the guy on top winning the fight?

People in the neighborhood identified the voice yelling as Zimmerman's. Even Trayvon's father said the voice was not his son's. Then later, once he realized that would hurt his case, then he changed his mind and decided it was Trayvon's voice.