there are 2 different world's in america. the rapidly shrinking rational one and this:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,2720417.story

we can make fun of the delusional all we want but the fact is a significant minority is actually arming themselves for armageddon. they really believe glenn beck and dismiss anything else as msm lies. despite the fact that dems threw in the towel on gun control years ago.

They are just arming themselves because they still can. Beck has nothing to do with it. Why put down an economic boom. I seriously doubt the ammo factories got any T.A.R.P $ or stimulus $. They are probably hiring right now without any Govt. help, except for Gun Control advocates in the administration. Ammo has outperformed gold and the stock market over the last year.

name one. dem's realized a while back it was a losing battle. they have the white house. they have the house. they allegedly had 60 in the senate for a while.

where was all the gun control legislation?

unlike the loyal opposition, dem's seem (most of the time) to deal in reality. they count the votes.

meanwhile i wait patiently for the next epileptic seizure of anti-immigrant hysteria. you know it's coming.

and we'll gladly accept the next generation of voter's.

He's a public school teacher. Fourth-grade. And he says it with a straight face. He comes about 3:10 into this tape:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmEyZFed9tk

You know what, I disagree. There will always be a fringe element that arms themselves against the government, hates the government, distrusts it, etc. (I even hunt with a couple ;)

But guys like Beck, with his hyperactive talk and innuendo about fearing for the country, wanting to save the country, "taking action, what you can do", drawing on chalkboards, etc. (go watch a tape or two of his show) puts that type of "fringe" mindset into the mainstream as if it's acceptable, usual, normal. Look at what many Republicans are gladly telling American citizens - that they need to fear death panels, that grandma will be killed by the Obama government's health plan. Outright lies, for god's sake. I think it's very dangerous, to tell people their democratically-elected government is a direct threat to their lives.

It doesn't have to come from Congress. Just scroll down to D.C. vs. Heller... " the 2nd Amendment does not protect the individual right to bear arms for purposes unrelated to a States operation of a well-regulated militia".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Holder.. Don't sweat the "undocumented workers" until the economy comes back a little! As far as counting the votes, the Dems seem more concerned with counting the votes they want to count than counting all the votes.

The Dems have been doing this for years. Beck never called anyone to arms. He actually warns against associating with any idiots who want to take up arms against our country. Ballots not Bullets. It's still frikkin America.

You're right,Riot....most of the country is too stupid to understand anything but 2 syllable words for soundbites from Uncle Obama! Just let the msm lull the children to sleep and there won't be a country worth fighting for!
Frankly, I can't believe you could be so naive as to not question the proposed changes foisted on the American public.

no sensible democrat is fighting this issue.

it's a loser. despite my own personal feelings that the large problems facing this country don't involve the lack of freely available weapons, i support the decision to back the f*ck away from something that's electoral poison.

but i'm a huge supporter of far right ideological commissar's like rush, beck and (hopefully) palin holding to a fire the feet of otherwise sensible republican's.

there is no downside to encouraging a radical minority that actually thinks it's a majority in chasing off potential voters.

a natural republican constituency like conservative, family oriented, hispanics are voting democratic in droves because the republican party can't say no to intellectual leadership by the radical right.

god bless rush. god bless glenn. god bless sarah.

they are assuring the demographic extinction of the republican party.

Hey, they have every right to be out there doing their thing. They all admit they are entertainers first, rather than news people.

Beck, Rush, O'Reilly - they've changed over the years. They have gotten much more strident. O'Reilly calls the abortion doctor a baby killer and that someone should take care of the problem (repeatedly). Last week Beck calls the current administration an (sic) oligarhy (spelling it wrong, which I found rather hilarious) and wants people to "take action, take your Republic back!".

People like me that used to listen to them - long gone. Beck's advertisers don't want to be associated with a guy who calls the President of the United States, "a racist with a deep-seated hatred of white people." They are increasingly marginalized, and marginalizing.

I agree they are helping cause the political death of the GOP, and I resent it.

Timmi, can you post something about healthcare reform? You know, debate a subject?

Or can you only diss and call names of politicians and posters you don't like, or who don't agree with you?

I don't believe I've ever called names to you, but the slimey politicians are fair game! Healthcare as it is today is a far cry from what it was, but the plans that Dem leadership is proposing are foolish and ludicrous. What happened to the "pay as we go" program that Obama talked about? 10 trill
deficit isn't the way to go. Doctors pay an average of 20K per month for malpractice ins...much of that could be saved with the proper tort reform! I could go on....

Riot they lied to you or you just made up a number! And again if this is even a slight indication of how Health Care would run we're in deep shhhhiiiiiittttt. Maybe OB should start w/a single Dr.'s office and only treat congress?

During the month long program, Billion Automotive sold close to a thousand vehicles but has only been reimbursed for 272 of them. Vern Eide sold over 200 cars and has only been paid for 27 of them, and that's fueling lots of concerns in the auto industry.

Even though Billion is beginning to get some of his reimbursement money, he's still concerned because he says there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the program.

When Cash for Clunkers was first announced, dealers were supposed to be reimbursed within 10 days of a sale. Billion says that hasn't happened.

"The program started in July and we haven't gotten paid for cars we sold back then, but then on the other hand we got paid for a car we sold last week. They don't have an accurate format. It's not like they're taking the first deals that were submitted and working those. I don't know how they're doing it, no idea. I know it's very random" Billion said.

"We had a situation where we had a submission, they rejected it for multiple reasons. We didn't see anything wrong with it, so we resubmitted it. They rejected, we resubmitted it. They rejected it, seven times and finally they paid it, and we never changed a single thing on it," Billion said.

http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=89419

Surprising considering how effective and organized Govt programs usually are....

I have a plan similar to the plan described in this article, and I wouldnt be able to continue the plan either.Capitation in healthcare diminishes the doctors interest in patient......because there is a cap per patient. It's probably the main reason doctors are driven to a "niche" in medicine that is outside the regular family practice.

Good argument for exactly why we need healthcare reform. He seems to favor a completely government-run single-payer plan, though. I don't want that, but do want a government option.

I can only read and quote the same internet blogs, news, press releases you do.

Who's "they" ?

That reminds me of the IRS - this past spring my accountant did my taxes, filed electronically, and the refund was electronically deposited in my account in 10 days.

Whether healthcare reform is passed or not, it's estimated everyone's healthcare costs (insurance industry driven) will increase by 10% this year. Hold on.

Good question as you didn't post a link to wherever you read rebates were 40% complete (almost 2 weeks ago). I obviously don't read the same blogs because I never saw that. Maybe Huffington? Salon? If it came from the WH it obviously was mispeak.

Rarely go on Huffington, never Salon. Probably USAToday, CNN, Daily Beast, etc.

What does the amount of claims reported submitted and processed 2-3 weeks ago for the first portion of the program, have to do with the amount of claims submitted and processed well after that time, in the second half of the program after it was extended?

We'll have to see how long it takes them to pay off for this second part.

The main problem for car dealers is their usual banking loans for getting cars on the floor have dried up, creating a huge cashflow problem for them.

Who...pray tell, is doing the estimating here? btw....it looks like you're demonizing the insurance companies too,huh?

The estimating? Try googling "health care costs" and take your choice of several thousand. Watch it rise over the past 40 years, while benefits drop like a rock and denial, recission skyrocket.

Escalating health care costs is kinda why there's this whole "health care reform" debate thing, been going on for a couple decades now ;)

?? Of course I demonize private insurance companies. Their interest is not my health, or your health, it is making a profit. They are a virtually unregulated industry that does whatever it wants to the people that buy policies, and they do it when people are sick and need their insurance most.

i can understand why people demonize them. altho some might disagree on the current approaches to reforming health care, it definitely does need reforming. whether from inside or outside forces, the need is definitely there. a start would be tort reform-how many doctors call for how many unnecessary tests, and send patients to how many unnecessary specialists just to cover their butts from any potential suits? they might feel there's really nothing there, but just to make sure.....

hell, i have a bad back. every once in a while i suffer a strain. i also have back spasms on occasion. that's life. doctor suggested an MRI- i didn't bother. but how many people would because one, they have insurance, and two, they can't accept that it's a muscle thing, and an aging thing. i've lost 20 pounds, that seems to have helped. i also always pay attention to how i bend and lift and put inserts in my shoes since hard flooring seems to have an effect on my back as well. i saved my ins. co. 1500 in unnecessary charges as well as my co-pay.

I hope you never have to change insurance companies (lose your job, change jobs, move to a different state, etc) because I would expect the new company to decline you coverage for any future back trouble as it is a pre-existing condition. Or ask you to pay $$$ extra to have it covered. Especially because you did decline the MRI, so there is no documentation of what your back was like at that time. Seriously, that's how they think.

Well, if it's going down next year, that'll be a first! Hyperbole aside, the ins companies would rather have a healthy customer to keeep paying the premiums.

dont they usually only have pre-existing conditions excluded for one year? That was the case with my insurance company. Tho I never said anything about pre-existing conditions and had my doc note something different down on the paper so maybe I just got away with things.

I wonder if my insurance company reads DT?

find the link and all is forgiven.

If you're getting insurance for free or almost free that's part of your job beni's and compensation you lose it and complain you now have to pay????

Sue us independents/libertarians/republicans, jump on the bandwagon and lol

PS keep the illegals!!!!!!!!! And inmates and loathe the military! That works LMAO

Yeah the IRS and its inane tax code are a model to strive for...

I mailed a letter and it got there.
The Post office must be great

they'll mail three big packets back and postage paid....

it's only ever been a muscle pull/strain on the charts. honestly, i was surprised the doctor suggested it-but i do know the hospital next door had just bought an mri machine, so i figured the doc was just trying to help pay for it.

there are differing rules. i know that anyone getting covered where i work (and 9 times out of ten, the employee rejects the coverage-i guess the $10-12 a week is just out of reach for their budget..yet they smoke or use chewing tobacco :rolleyes: ) is handled under pre-existing depending on whether they had previous insurance coverage-not just depending on the illness or injury alone. if you have had insurance, our co will cover you right away.

wait till people go in and say all I wanted was a 'juce and samich' and I ended up w/a bypass, new knee and a bunch of drugs I can trade/sell/take. Horrible to contribute to bad habits.

and before anyone accuses me of being racist, that's how it's pronounced here.

No, there's no rule. Sometimes they are excluded forever. Sometimes they are not excluded (on purpose) so later, if you have a big claim, they can exclude it. Insurance companies can pretty well do whatever they please.

??? Re-read the entire post. You completely missed the point. Nobody was complaining you had to buy your own insurance.

??? Nobody said it was going down. It was going UP.

And yes, insurance companies would rather have healthy customers to pay premiums, not unhealthy ones they have to give money do. That is why they dump them.

And the interstate highway system sucks, and the armed forces, and the Centers for Disease Control, the National Parks, etc.

You don't like it, move somewhere else.