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geeker2 10-19-2013 09:06 AM

So why did the Tea Party do it?


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...rly-failed-to/


Hume said:

"Veteran political observers on both the left and right are still trying to figure out what the House Tea Party caucus and its Senate pied piper Ted Cruz were thinking when they insisted on using the threat of a government shutdown to defund ObamaCare.

"It was a hopeless strategy that has not only failed in its stated goal, but helped send the Republican Party to its lowest favorability ratings ever.

"In conventional terms, it seems inexplicable, but Senator Cruz and his adherents do not view things in conventional terms. They look back over the past half-century, including the supposedly golden era of Ronald Reagan, and see the uninterrupted forward march of the American left. Entitlement spending never stopped growing. The regulatory state continued to expand. The national debt grew and grew and finally in the Obama years, exploded. They see an American population becoming unrecognizable from the free and self-reliant people they thought they knew. And they see the Republican Party as having utterly failed to stop the drift toward an unfree nation supervised by an overweening and bloated bureaucracy. They are not interested in Republican policies that merely slow the growth of this leviathan. They want to stop it and reverse it. And they want to show their supporters they'll try anything to bring that about.

"And if some of those things turn out to be reckless and doomed, well so be it."

dellinger63 10-19-2013 10:04 AM

Wow didn't take long to resume throwing money out the window. And of all things, arming a country sympathetic with an enemy of ours. :zz:

Not only $1.6 billion wasted but potentially used against our troops.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...tan-assistance

Danzig 10-19-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 949793)
So why did the Tea Party do it?


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...rly-failed-to/


Hume said:

"Veteran political observers on both the left and right are still trying to figure out what the House Tea Party caucus and its Senate pied piper Ted Cruz were thinking when they insisted on using the threat of a government shutdown to defund ObamaCare.

"It was a hopeless strategy that has not only failed in its stated goal, but helped send the Republican Party to its lowest favorability ratings ever.

"In conventional terms, it seems inexplicable, but Senator Cruz and his adherents do not view things in conventional terms. They look back over the past half-century, including the supposedly golden era of Ronald Reagan, and see the uninterrupted forward march of the American left. Entitlement spending never stopped growing. The regulatory state continued to expand. The national debt grew and grew and finally in the Obama years, exploded. They see an American population becoming unrecognizable from the free and self-reliant people they thought they knew. And they see the Republican Party as having utterly failed to stop the drift toward an unfree nation supervised by an overweening and bloated bureaucracy. They are not interested in Republican policies that merely slow the growth of this leviathan. They want to stop it and reverse it. And they want to show their supporters they'll try anything to bring that about.

"And if some of those things turn out to be reckless and doomed, well so be it."

they completely ignored 'the three things necessary to win a war'. one is that it is winnable. this wasn't. another is that you have a good reason. they didn't.
it was a spectacular self-immolation.n much ventured, nothing gained. they lost ground.

it was a perfect example of what the rupublican party as a whole is doing. they want more voters, wish to regain lost footing, yet continue to blindly stagger down the same trail that has gotten them in their present state.

dellinger63 10-19-2013 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 949802)
they completely ignored 'the three things necessary to win a war'. one is that it is winnable. this wasn't. another is that you have a good reason. they didn't.
it was a spectacular self-immolation.n much ventured, nothing gained. they lost ground.

it was a perfect example of what the rupublican party as a whole is doing. they want more voters, wish to regain lost footing, yet continue to blindly stagger down the same trail that has gotten them in their present state.

Might turn out to be the start of a balanced, manageable budget. Doubt it but was worth the try.

No war was won when Rosa Parks boarded the bus either.

To think how far we've come and sunk at the same time. We have an African American for a President, serving a second term, who less than 48 hours after a 16-day battle to get a credit approval, sends $1.6 billion to a country that housed the perpetrator of the largest foreign attack on U.S. soil, killing almost 3 times as many as were killed at Pearl Harbor. :mad:

hi_im_god 10-19-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 949808)
Might turn out to be the start of a balanced, manageable budget. Doubt it but was worth the try.

No war was won when Rosa Parks boarded the bus either.

To think how far we've come and sunk at the same time. We have an African American for a President, serving a second term, who less than 48 hours after a 16-day battle to get a credit approval, sends $1.6 billion to a country that housed the perpetrator of the largest foreign attack on U.S. soil, killing almost 3 times as many as were killed at Pearl Harbor. :mad:

rosa parks didn't succeed in setting back civil rights by refusing to sit in the back of the bus. your analogy doesn't hold. you really need to come up with one where someone did actual damage to their stated cause by their actions.

you need something along the lines of setting your house on fire to clean it.

bigrun 10-19-2013 01:56 PM


dellinger63 10-19-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 949813)

you need something along the lines of setting your house on fire to clean it.

How about offering a couple grand to crush a usable car/truck so those who can't afford new cars/trucks get to pick up the slack buying used vehicles at an increased/artificial price?

hi_im_god 10-20-2013 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 949890)
How about offering a couple grand to crush a usable car/truck so those who can't afford new cars/trucks get to pick up the slack buying used vehicles at an increased/artificial price?

it's mixing an economic mataphor with a political one but a huge improvement on rosa parks.

pretty good actually.

bigrun 10-22-2013 03:28 PM

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Get these kind of emails daily from my repuke buds..The shutdown was his fault and that's a fact..;)



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