It depends on how they lose, a misunderstanding on my position with her is I can actually appreciate a horse when they lose. Seattle Slew's greatest race was one he didn't even win.

agree, that Swaps stake was one heck of an effort.

Taking RA out of the equation (which always seems to become a lightning rod situation), we need only look to the recent examples of horses like Ouija Board and Goldikova to see how a champion mare can be campaigned - and perhaps more importantly how there need not be shame in losing. Their campaigns against Grade I males didn't prevent them from turning in championship performances on Breeders' Cup Day, even though their connections did far more shipping and campaigned their horses as if they were champions. If Shirreffs/Moss continue to campaign Zenyatta as they suggest, they have no one to blame but themselves if their mare doesn't receive the accolades that they apparently think she deserves.

Fear of losing has no place on the road to success.

Agreed.

It will be interesting to see if Zenyatta is campaigned differently if Super Saver wins the Triple Crown. Though, I guess at that point she can't win HOY.

Well I guess that 9/5 wasn't easy money.:D

When should the trainer of a 3yo filly start thinking about keeping his filly fit and fresh for the BC Classic?

nope.

hell, they could always try again next year.

god knows with her strenuous campaign, he'll have a hard time doing that. :rolleyes:

If Super Saver wins the Triple Crown, Hovdey will have to delete the following from his lastest blog entry.

<<When Shirreffs says "you can't ship for every race" he is politely leaving off the "or else you could ruin your horse" ending. For evidence, please turn to the pages that catalog the carnage among 3-year-old colts this time each year as they travel far and wide to qualify for and then pursue Triple Crown events.>>

Those words belong in an ad for a feminine hygiene product. They have no place in describing the campaign of a "great" mare.

Irrelevant … don't see a 3yo filly winning that race anytime soon.



Will have to keep close tabs on this QR beast, tho…

So it's down to SS winning the TC to save the DRF/Beyerites? :rolleyes:

Yeah I don't know how Andy Beyer will sleep at night knowing that you don't think much of his work.

The Silky Johnson of horse racing message boards.

Have learned more about this game from reading Beyer's articles and books over the years than from anyone else … but have to admit … found it pretty funny when Z romped in the Classic after he completely dismissed her in the contest … and have found it even funnier watching RA get exposed in her first two starts this season after he lobbied so hard for her to win HotY.


Perhaps he'll have the last laugh this year … still a long way to go … but I've been THOROUGHLY enjoying things so far… :D

He's an excellent writer and he probably has done more for the game than any columnist has ever written about horseracing, however for me his opinion hasn't mean't as much of late with his inability to adjust to the introduction of synthetics. The dismissing of Zenyatta is the obvious one, and though I commend him in trying to correct the incorrect figs for sythetics last year, it is an admission to me that the arriving of synth figs were far from being concise.

It takes a lot for you to root for Pletcher.

Must be what he thought the last time he scratched her at CD.

so, you're mad because andy beyer wasn't prescient? he didn't view his crystal ball and see she'd not come back as strong as when she finished up last fall? gimme a break.

new season, new year. if the saints don't make the playoffs this year, are you going to lobby for them to lose the lombardi from last year? :rolleyes: