We apologize for the vanilla and heavily cambered post.

sexdotcom has a point. I've found value in donkey races on the california fair circuit.

He now has a race and win over the track, he cruised around off of a long layoff. Who is really def. better, unless your taKING a shot with a horse who has never ran over the surface Example: Curlin or any of the Europeans. I will be sticking to the horse proven over Synthetics. Casino, Go Between and Tiago.

So, what would you take as fair odds in the win spot?

Well that makes things easier...


*scribes frantically*

He's still an underlay at 30:1.

That horse had more "juice" than the Minute Maid factory.

The first thing I thought was... the euros will hate it. They did well last time? Don't remember, must not have cashed. :o

why dont people 'like' him? here's who he beat in the pan: mint lane, ready's echo, Golden Spikes, Cosmic, Spark Candle, Tomcito, Deputyville, and Fast Talking.

yeah, i'm going to bet that horse to beat curlin, well armed, go between, tiago, student council....lol!

he didn't cruise on sunday. and he's going to come back and run a lifetime best two weeks after his last? after having his previous races spread apart by how much time?? three months between his debut and the pan, and 5 months between that and sunday. and his 92 beyer sunday is supposedly on par with the horses he'll be facing the 25th? yeah, sure.

I took Monday off and went to the OTB 1 hour away. The system was down through the 1st race at Belmont. The teller was an idiot and there were plenty of characters to remind me why I enjoy betting via the internet.

if I can't play the Breeder's Cup from home I may not play at all. The disputes over ADW have prevented me from playing many of my favorite tracks. I don't like calling in my bets and haven't played or watched one race at Santa Anita.

I have quit playing everyday and every weekend and don't have the desire to "Crush the Cup"

the Breeder's Cup used to be the greatest not it is the least greatest.

often unconventional ,so take whatever i say with a grain of salt...:D

1. - I could care less about his momma. - Yes I do care about having a quality dam and female family, but I don't believe there is any "belmont blessing" or extra special thing going on here... Solid to good dam and thats it.

2. - Casino Drive is a class animal. He is good physically. He doesn't have any major flaws. He has been well taken care of. He has a good style. Has a little bit of talent. He shows a response. Looks good in motion. This is a nice horse...

3. - In order to have any shot at the Classic, from my opinion, Espinoza would have to put this guy into a move that would normally be called premature, and CD would have to run the whole drive without tiring.
You don't see those types of moves very often at all. Jockeys with nice horses tend to run with the group and wait until the last possible minute and do as little as possible. I just haven't seen the talent yet that would give Casino Drive any chance with a standard trip.

Not really. 12-1 is a solid line on him. There is no early speed and he could easily wire this field. Plus he has a win over the track.

That "win over the track" angle is always a great barometer. Court Vision, for example, parlayed that angle into a successful 13th place finish in this year's Derby.

Yes, myself I usually prefer a win over good horses to a win over the track. But, hey, to each his ( or her ) own. Maybe beating 25K claimers, while driving, 13 days before the BC Classic has Casino Drive right where they want him.

However, if nobody knew who his dam was, and the race was oversubscribed, people would be screaming bloody murder that he was even allowed in the race. The bottom line is that he has absolutely no credentials.

It's funny, personally, I would be happy to see him do well. His connections were at Belmont for weeks and seemed really great. But, objectively this situation is a bit curious. He belongs in the BC because he's related to Rags to Riches? OK......that makes sense.

Took almost 11,000 posts....but this is something worth reading.:tro: