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GBBob 03-06-2008 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Nah, he actually ACCELERATED after setting a pretty wicked pace going a mile and a sixteenth in his debut. I could certainly be wrong but he's finished with energy both times...

Phil..excellent post..Really enjoying the dialogue between you and Freddy

thought I would get this thread back on it's feet again

the_fat_man 03-06-2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Nah, he actually ACCELERATED after setting a pretty wicked pace going a mile and a sixteenth in his debut. I could certainly be wrong but he's finished with energy both times...

Here's a comparison, by splits, to the Weekend Madness (R7), run the same day and won by Classic Neel.

Big Brown R5: 23.19 24.35 24.30 22.62 5.87

R7: 23.28 21.98 23.92 24.37 6.53

While he dropped the field when he accelerated, it's interesting that he didn't completely wipe them out, and some actually came back a bit (relatively) the last 1/16th. Of course, the maiden field was probably better than that he faced yesterday. But I think he was more impressive yesterday.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-06-2008 04:12 PM

from this point till he gets beat he wont see the turf imo

Scav 03-06-2008 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
from this point till he gets beat he wont see the turf imo

Not just gets beat, but runs poorly

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-06-2008 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Not just gets beat, but runs poorly

you and i and ateam were on em in the maiden breaker..:D

Scav 03-06-2008 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
you and i and ateam were on em in the maiden breaker..:D

My last winner....

you have a crazy memory, that was like 7 months ago and you remember a post from back then....

mp3 03-06-2008 04:46 PM

Big Brown to the florida derby
 
as per IEAH...they said they want to give him more spacing to the KD than the BG would provide.

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-06-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
A 30 pack is about the equal of 3 beers at Siro's

And a half keg of "UC" :D

blackthroatedwind 03-06-2008 06:31 PM

It seems that they have changed gears and are now going to the Florida Derby. Dutrow offered the following quote to DRF......


"We got to thinkin' and drinkin' last night, and, by the time we were done, we decided the Florida Derby would be the best option," said Dutrow, who trains Big Brown for the IEAH Stables and Paul Pompa Jr.


After reading that I don't know why I don't have complete confidence in this horse moving forward.

Danzig 03-06-2008 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It seems that they have changed gears and are now going to the Florida Derby. Dutrow offered the following quote to DRF......


"We got to thinkin' and drinkin' last night, and, by the time we were done, we decided the Florida Derby would be the best option," said Dutrow, who trains Big Brown for the IEAH Stables and Paul Pompa Jr.


After reading that I don't know why I don't have complete confidence in this horse moving forward.

by the time they were done thinking, or by the time they were done drinking??

easy goer 03-06-2008 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
You guys are talking about TWO DIFFERENT HORSES. The top is referencing GIANT MOON, not BIG BROWN.

Easy Goer, wouldn't you take the time to know that? C'mon, you're better than that.

Sweet Tapdancingjeezus, I am out of my mind, I got too many threads open at once. ...:confused:

Hickory Hill Hoff 03-06-2008 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It seems that they have changed gears and are now going to the Florida Derby. Dutrow offered the following quote to DRF......


"We got to thinkin' and drinkin' last night, and, by the time we were done, we decided the Florida Derby would be the best option," said Dutrow, who trains Big Brown for the IEAH Stables and Paul Pompa Jr.


After reading that I don't know why I don't have complete confidence in this horse moving forward.

Best derby trail quote so far this year.

Cajungator26 03-06-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
No, it's only if they race each other.

It isn't who has been better so far. It is who is the more talented horse. When they meet up, who will win. What handicapper doesn't have to make decisions like this all the time?

How are you so certain that either one of them will win if they meet up? Doesn't a lot of that depend on what other horses are entered in the race and their running styles? Perhaps Big Brown and War Pass will burn themselves out, who knows. Furthermore, how can you handicap a race without having all of the information on the race itself?

Danzig 03-06-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
How are you so certain that either one of them will win if they meet up? Doesn't a lot of that depend on what other horses are entered in the race and their running styles? Perhaps Big Brown and War Pass will burn themselves out, who knows. Furthermore, how can you handicap a race without having all of the information on the race itself?

videos.

philcski 03-06-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
you and i and ateam were on em in the maiden breaker..:D

So was Sightseek and Kelly. Martin and I had put together a big pick 6 ticket and we only included him on a backup ticket because Ateam talked us into him. I think we busted on the next leg. :o

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-07-2008 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
It's very possible this colt hits the frickin wall at a mile.. IMO more so then WP cant get 10f's..

Nothing wrong with an awesome miler Rosie...You maybe right about the horse and wrong about the course and distance...Maybe he is Lure 2?

I think the colt is very, very, very good, and I don't think he will have a problem with longer distances based on what he has done so far. I think he is more talented than War Pass. I think War Pass is also an exceptional individual, and I could be completely wrong about Big Brown, but it's just my prediction about who is going to end up being the better of the two at this point. They could both get injured and never meet up for all I know. Just my opinions....

The Bid 03-07-2008 03:23 AM

He beat a field of mediocre grass horses on the dirt. Lets not give him the Derby at this point. Hes certainly never ran with anything and wont like it when he does.

Danzig 03-07-2008 06:53 AM

might be tricky proving you're the number one three year old if you don't get to run in the derby....big brown, 2 starts, 2 wins. 0 graded earnings.

war pass, a dual gr 1 winner and eclipse champion. big brown better get cracking if he's going to prove how much more talented he is than the 2 yo champ and millionaire.

zippyneedsawin 03-07-2008 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
might be tricky proving you're the number one three year old if you don't get to run in the derby....big brown, 2 starts, 2 wins. 0 graded earnings.

war pass, a dual gr 1 winner and eclipse champion. big brown better get cracking if he's going to prove how much more talented he is than the 2 yo champ and millionaire.

Right, looks like he's got one shot at those earnings, if they're seriously trying to get him into the field.

ShadowRoll 03-07-2008 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It seems that they have changed gears and are now going to the Florida Derby. Dutrow offered the following quote to DRF......


"We got to thinkin' and drinkin' last night, and, by the time we were done, we decided the Florida Derby would be the best option," said Dutrow, who trains Big Brown for the IEAH Stables and Paul Pompa Jr.


After reading that I don't know why I don't have complete confidence in this horse moving forward.

Still, should be an interesting race to get BB's measure. Possibles include Elysium Fields, Tomcito and Hey Byrn.


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