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dellinger63 08-27-2009 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
a completely unimportant cause to get behind. hell, john edwards couldn't even visit his ho-bag baby momma without getting caught. you really think barrack obama isn't an actual citizen? i think that topic is silly.

He's a citizen for sure, the topic isn't sillly because lawsuits are still being fought with OB easily able to free up the courts by releasing the certificate. That's a phone call. what's the problem?

dalakhani 08-27-2009 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
They voted for Obama. Millions of people voted for Al Gore. Even more watch American Idol. Oops, the last two would be how stupid...

This from a man that voted for Bush...TWICE.

dalakhani 08-27-2009 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://www.oaktreepeak.com/Blog/2009...t_created.html

The myth of government created jobs is the twin to the myth of jobs saved by protectionist tariffs. Put a 20% tariff on imported steel in an effort to protect the jobs of U.S. steel workers and what is the result? The cost of everything made from steel is higher than it would otherwise be - a hidden tax on consumers. A new oven that might have cost $300 may now cost $360. The consumer has $60 less to spend on something else. Perhaps they would have dined at a neighborhood restaurant but now have less disposable income to do so. Perhaps the restaurant will reduce the size of its workforce because business is slow. Capital that is spent by consumers to maintain the jobs of the steelworkers has not magically appeared; it has been removed from other sectors of the economy. Once again, the jobs that are lost are spread out over the country and are impossible to identify, while politicians can easily point to the steel industry and say "look, we saved these jobs". They are simply robbing Peter to pay Paul, but Peter is hidden away in the cellar and Paul just bought a new SUV.

Nice work, if you can get it

How does quoting someone's stupid blog support your argument? Is your Blog any better than Riots?

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
This from a man that voted for Bush...TWICE.

Once. Got shut out the first time.

When Obama is done in 3 years you will be missing old George.

Danzig 08-27-2009 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
He's a citizen for sure, the topic isn't sillly because lawsuits are still being fought with OB easily able to free up the courts by releasing the certificate. That's a phone call. what's the problem?


there are frivolous suits filed every day- the guy who sued the cleaners for a fortune over a pair of pants; the lady suing her comedian daughter in law because she doesn't want to be a topic for her jokes. far right whack jobs grasping at straws shouldn't be given the time of day by the president. the whole story is absolutely ridiculous and is a non-issue, and isn't worthy of a response.

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
How does quoting someone's stupid blog support your argument? Is your Blog any better than Riots?

Riot has a problem with comprehension sometimes. I figured someone elses words may help her out.

And that blog is right on the money.

dalakhani 08-27-2009 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Once. Got shut out the first time.

When Obama is done in 3 years you will be missing old George.

Not a chance. Not to say i wouldnt vote for a republican or i'm not open to the proposition that Obama might not do a great job but...

I am sincere in my belief that George W. Bush was one of the worst president in our history and there is nothing partisan about that belief. I have never seen an outgoing two term president NOT ALLOWED AT HIS OWN PARTY's CONVENTION.

Think about that.

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Not a chance. Not to say i wouldnt vote for a republican or i'm not open to the proposition that Obama might not do a great job but...

I am sincere in my belief that George W. Bush was one of the worst president in our history and there is nothing partisan about that belief. I have never seen an outgoing two term president NOT ALLOWED AT HIS OWN PARTY's CONVENTION.

Think about that.

Whatever. Bush is old news. At least he liked us.

docicu3 08-27-2009 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Whatever. Bush is old news. At least he liked us.

Who didn't like us???

The Indomitable DrugS 08-27-2009 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Once. Got shut out the first time.

When Obama is done in 3 years you will be missing old George.

When you're not hating on Jess Jackson and downplaying the new alchemist Linda Rice ...you sound a lot like this guy in the paddock threads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIMi7fBA6e4


What's Pletcher, and McLaughlin, and Asmussen gonna do with all those good 2yos?

dalakhani 08-27-2009 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Whatever. Bush is old news. At least he liked us.

I am holding out on Obama. I like a lot of the things he has done. This ecomony needs all of the stimulus that can be mustered. Surely you took some econ classes at U of A and saw the mistakes of the Depression. I have no problem with doing whatever is necessary to get the wheels turning again even if some of the consequence is future inflation.

I do disagree with him on healthcare right now. It could very well be his waterloo.

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Who didn't like us???

Carter

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
When you're not hating on Jess Jackson and downplaying the new alchemist Linda Rice ...you sound a lot like this guy in the paddock threads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIMi7fBA6e4


What's Pletcher, and McLaughlin, and Asmussen gonna do with all those good 2yos?

There is very little reason to like Jess and the Linda Rice phenomenon is over.

dellinger63 08-27-2009 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Who didn't like us???

Clinton liked us but loathed the miltary

The Indomitable DrugS 08-27-2009 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Carter

You could get over 20% on your bank CD's with him. My grandfather insisted he was the greatest president of all-time. Slightly better than FDR.

He had Hoover and Bush a toss up for the worst.

dellinger63 08-27-2009 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Clinton liked us but loathed the miltary

well he felt our pain

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I am holding out on Obama. I like a lot of the things he has done. This ecomony needs all of the stimulus that can be mustered. Surely you took some econ classes at U of A and saw the mistakes of the Depression. I have no problem with doing whatever is necessary to get the wheels turning again even if some of the consequence is future inflation.

I do disagree with him on healthcare right now. It could very well be his waterloo.

There is a wide variety of stimlus available and his choice was way down the list of what I would have chosen. Of course I dont have to reward my political friends and cater to my liberal backers like he does.

dalakhani 08-27-2009 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
There is a wide variety of stimlus available and his choice was way down the list of what I would have chosen. Of course I dont have to reward my political friends and cater to my liberal backers like he does.


He could always reward his friends the republican way. He could start an illegal imperialistic war against a sovereign nation by using false evidence as cause. Then, after we spend billions on bombs made my his buddies to destroy said country, we could give his other buddies no bid contracts to rebuild the place.

yes...the "conservative" way!

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
He could always reward his friends the republican way. He could start an illegal imperialistic war against a sovereign nation by using false evidence as cause. Then, after we spend billions on bombs made my his buddies to destroy said country, we could give his other buddies no bid contracts to rebuild the place.

yes...the "conservative" way!

Still a lot cheaper than Obamavision

dalakhani 08-27-2009 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Still a lot cheaper than Obamavision

The cost of lives is immeasurable. The weakening of the country and the destabilization the region is going to cost more than anything Obama is doing.

Of course...a lot of people got rich.

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
The cost of lives is immeasurable. The weakening of the country and the destabilization the region is going to cost more than anything Obama is doing.

Of course...a lot of people got rich.

That area is no more destablized as it ever is. You will see destablization once Israel bombs Iran's nuke sites.

dalakhani 08-27-2009 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
That area is no more destablized as it ever is. You will see destablization once Israel bombs Iran's nuke sites.

iraq kept Iran honest. Iraq will be a total mess once the US pulls out. The area is much less stabilized than it was before the invasion.

Cannon Shell 08-27-2009 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
iraq kept Iran honest. Iraq will be a total mess once the US pulls out. The area is much less stabilized than it was before the invasion.

Iran is getting nukes. How long do you think they would have waited before testing them out on Iraq? The area has never been very stable.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-27-2009 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
the Linda Rice phenomenon is over.

She's in with a shot of being the trainer with the best Saratoga win % for the decades of the 90's and 00's.

Top 8 trainers with highest Saratoga win % since 1990: (minimum of 30 total wins)

#1. Bobby Frankel: 84-for-361 (23.26%)

#2. Linda Rice: 94-for-410 (22.93%)

#3. Rick Dutrow Jr: 95-for-423 (22.45%)

#4. Steve Asmussen: 63-for-308 (20.45%)

#5. Tony Dutrow: 31-for-152 (20.39%)

#6. Bill Mott: 273-for-1349 (20.23%)

#7. Jimmy Jerkens: 47-for-236 (19.91%)

#8. Todd Pletcher: 243-for-1243 (19.54%)

hi_im_god 08-28-2009 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Iran is getting nukes. How long do you think they would have waited before testing them out on Iraq? The area has never been very stable.

good post. the whole reason saddam kept weapons inspector's at arms length pre-war was to keep up the facade that he might have a secret counter weight to the persians. he assumed we knew this. bad move.

we decide to kick the anthill because jesus and dick cheney said it was a good idea.

nukes will be everywhere in 30 years. same with icbm's. i don't think there is anything anyone can do at this point. i hope to have a few myself. that way i'll feel safe.

Smooth Operator 08-28-2009 08:30 AM

LOL ... good stuff, god

Danzig 08-28-2009 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
good post. the whole reason saddam kept weapons inspector's at arms length pre-war was to keep up the facade that he might have a secret counter weight to the persians. he assumed we knew this. bad move.
we decide to kick the anthill because jesus and dick cheney said it was a good idea.

nukes will be everywhere in 30 years. same with icbm's. i don't think there is anything anyone can do at this point. i hope to have a few myself. that way i'll feel safe.


we knew he had some stuff, since we gave it to him back when they were fighting iran-that was all part of the 'enemy of our enemy is our friend' methodology to foreign affairs. but maybe he sold it to syria, other than whatever he used to kill his kurds in the north...at any rate, the iraq invasion and ensuing mess absolutely was a mistake. had that not been attempted, we'd have most likely been done in afganistan by now, since we could have just concentrated on that area.
instead, years later, two wars still in progress-and most likely the #1 cause for all our problems.

Cannon Shell 08-28-2009 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
we knew he had some stuff, since we gave it to him back when they were fighting iran-that was all part of the 'enemy of our enemy is our friend' methodology to foreign affairs. but maybe he sold it to syria, other than whatever he used to kill his kurds in the north...at any rate, the iraq invasion and ensuing mess absolutely was a mistake. had that not been attempted, we'd have most likely been done in afganistan by now, since we could have just concentrated on that area.
instead, years later, two wars still in progress-and most likely the #1 cause for all our problems.

That is not realistic. The problems there are not related to concentration on our part.

Danzig 08-28-2009 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
That is not realistic. The problems there are not related to concentration on our part.


we went into afganistan and then pretty much ignored it while focusing much of our attentions on iraq. that was a mistake. we may well have a peacekeeping force in there by now, but i feel that we wouldn't be dealing with the steady erosion in that country since we first invaded.


at any rate, iraq was a mistake-a huge mistake. it peeled away military assets and attention. it's cost trillions, and it has contributed to the rise of iran and has destabilized that region even more than it already was. all it's done has cost us.
bush wasted any goodwill or feelings of empathy after 9/11 by pushing this war on iraq. i remember how most of the world reacted after the towers collapsed. our foreign affairs are a far cry from then-when we went from a country that had been attacked and had every right to defense, to a bully who thought it could do whatever the hell it wanted, wherever it wanted.

Cannon Shell 08-28-2009 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
we went into afganistan and then pretty much ignored it while focusing much of our attentions on iraq. that was a mistake. we may well have a peacekeeping force in there by now, but i feel that we wouldn't be dealing with the steady erosion in that country since we first invaded.


at any rate, iraq was a mistake-a huge mistake. it peeled away military assets and attention. it's cost trillions, and it has contributed to the rise of iran and has destabilized that region even more than it already was. all it's done has cost us.
bush wasted any goodwill or feelings of empathy after 9/11 by pushing this war on iraq. i remember how most of the world reacted after the towers collapsed. our foreign affairs are a far cry from then-when we went from a country that had been attacked and had every right to defense, to a bully who thought it could do whatever the hell it wanted, wherever it wanted.

I think the media may have forgotten it but it is a difficult place to win. Ask the Russians. Bush's biggest mistake in my view was his insistence that democracy would be able to overcome radicalsim. Radicals will always rule the roost in places like Afganastan because there is just not alot of good things happening there in the best of times.

We talk about racism in our country as though we have a monopoly on it. The discrimination in Iraq between different sects of the same religion is far worse than anything we encounter in our country. Democracy needs to have all people to agree to have an equal vote. That will never happen in Iraq. Why they thought it could is a mystery.

Crown@club 08-28-2009 01:23 PM

May not be the right thread......But creating jobs in the long run, huh?

Well Whirlpool has announced its closing the Evansville plant. Add 1100 to the unemployment list. Fantastic!!!! :zz:

Riot 08-28-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club
May not be the right thread......But creating jobs in the long run, huh?

Well Whirlpool has announced its closing the Evansville plant. Add 1100 to the unemployment list. Fantastic!!!! :zz:

So, you think this is Bush's fault? That's pretty unfair.

dellinger63 08-28-2009 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
So, you think this is Bush's fault? That's pretty unfair.


You think the country wants Government Health Care. That's delusional....

Riot 08-28-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
You think the country wants Government Health Care. That's delusional....

No, the country wants health care reform. That's a little different.

Being a birther is quite delusional, though.

Also delusional: I was watching a video of Michele Bachmann's town hall today - this guy gets up and says, "I'm not crazy, I have conservative Christian values, and I'm afraid, after 4 or 8 years, that this administration will not leave the White House, and we'll have to use force to get them out".

This whackjob actually thinks the President of the United States will barricade himself in the White House and physically refuse to leave.

What a sad, sad fantasy world some citizens of this country live in. It is downright scary, the mentally unstable that are coming out of the woodwork.

timmgirvan 08-29-2009 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
No, the country wants health care reform. That's a little different.

Being a birther is quite delusional, though.

Also delusional: I was watching a video of Michele Bachmann's town hall today - this guy gets up and says, "I'm not crazy, I have conservative Christian values, and I'm afraid, after 4 or 8 years, that this administration will not leave the White House, and we'll have to use force to get them out".

This whackjob actually thinks the President of the United States will barricade himself in the White House and physically refuse to leave.

What a sad, sad fantasy world some citizens of this country live in. It is downright scary, the mentally unstable that are coming out of the woodwork.

It must be AT LEAST a full-time job being you!....you are all over the place.

Riot 08-29-2009 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
It must be AT LEAST a full-time job being you!....you are all over the place.

Well, it takes less time than you spend trying to insult me ;)

dellinger63 08-29-2009 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
What a sad, sad fantasy world some citizens of this country live in. It is downright scary, the mentally unstable that are coming out of the woodwork.

They've been out for a while in fact there is a former President who actually believes Israel is the 'worst' perpetrator of human right violations on earth. He believes Israel is even worse than Rwanda.

That is mentally unstable at best and anti-Semitic hate at worst.

PS you seem to do your best work after 2am. You know when the mentally unstable are still up hearing those voices.

Danzig 08-29-2009 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
No, the country wants health care reform. That's a little different.

Being a birther is quite delusional, though.

Also delusional: I was watching a video of Michele Bachmann's town hall today - this guy gets up and says, "I'm not crazy, I have conservative Christian values, and I'm afraid, after 4 or 8 years, that this administration will not leave the White House, and we'll have to use force to get them out".

This whackjob actually thinks the President of the United States will barricade himself in the White House and physically refuse to leave.

What a sad, sad fantasy world some citizens of this country live in. It is downright scary, the mentally unstable that are coming out of the woodwork.


that is sad.

timmgirvan 08-29-2009 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Well, it takes less time than you spend trying to insult me ;)

I'm sorry that you feel I'm trying to insult you.....but you appear very rigid with regard for dialog. As I've stated previously, I would like an honest dialog,
not strident sound-bite defense of what's purportedly on the table( I've heard as many of 4 bills that the Dems are fooling with) The man who spoke at that townhall meeting voiced his opinion, he was not a spokesperson for
any group.

Smooth Operator 08-30-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Also delusional: I was watching a video of Michele Bachmann's town hall today - this guy gets up and says, "I'm not crazy, I have conservative Christian values, and I'm afraid, after 4 or 8 years, that this administration will not leave the White House, and we'll have to use force to get them out".

Wow, are you sure this is accurate, Riot?


Not even a con can be that stupid...


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