Originally Posted by Riot (Post 860520)

You're the poster child for everything that is bad in this sport: uncaring and deliberately ignorant.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 860521)

You don't even know how "the veterinary world" has measured performance.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 860518)

I do read, and I found the results ambiguous.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 860520)

And spare us your sanctimonious hard ass act crap. You're the poster child for everything that is bad in this sport: uncaring and deliberately ignorant.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 860525)

Really? Which studies specifically have you found "ambiguous"?



Well, you're suffering a confusion common to people who know nothing about science, and less than nothing about critical, objective thinking.



And again: list which studies you are calling "flawed", and which "measurements" you think are inadequate. Be specific.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 860514)

You act like these horses are pets. It would be comical if it weren't so naive. There are PLENTY of horsemen that don't give a crap about the horses. Why are they so interested in keeping Lasix legal? It surely isn't about the horses.

Before anybody lectures me on how everybody loves horses, I'll offer up Anew, a horse that ran in the last race at Penn National tonight.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 860527)

I'm not playing your games.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 860523)

Because he doesn't agree with you? :zz:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 860529)

It's about the horses.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 860516)

The dose of lasix is standardized by body weight.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 860524)

I read the reports. They don't know how. They did the best they could with what they had to work with, but that is about the best I can say.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 860533)

Not if the same horse can receive 150mg one race and 500mg the next.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 860534)

What the hell are you talking about? There are multiple studies out there, some in the research lab and some retroactive studies of actual racing results.

You just dissed them all as to results and methodology.

You don't have the first clue what you are talking about. You have no idea how veterinarians measured "performance".

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 860535)

My. god. you. are. ignorant. Yes, the dose of lasix is determined by body weight.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 860536)

The retroactive studies using actual racing results are particularly laughable. I have a database with nearly a million races in it that can easily disprove any of the conclusions they drew from the data they had.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 860539)

CMorioles says he can disprove 100% of any published scientific study by his personal computer database.

Please - the climate deniers and conspiracy theorists need your help desperately :tro:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 860537)

So you are saying an individual horse gets the same amount of lasix each time it races?

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 860540)

That isn't what I said, and you know it. I guess you are still sore I said it isn't always about the horse, even though you know it is true. So you twist things and make others up instead of admitting your psychotic rant was totally out of line.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 860541)

Nope. I said the dose is determined by body weight. Those are two different things, even keeping with your concern.

Try learning about what you are talking about, before you declare "how things are"?

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 860543)

No, that's exactly what you said. Here. Read your words:



I'll inform Gluck and NIH that it is worthless to do any research using actual horses races or laboratory imitation of racing conditions, because cmorioles has a database that can easily disprove any of the conclusions they draw from the data they have.

You might want to look up "psychotic". It doesn't mean how you are using it. And, again:the climate deniers need men who think like you.

It's nice to know that, throughout weeks of discussion regarding lasix, you and your buddy Rollo have absolutely refused to acknowledge any piece of evidence that even remotely negatively impacts your preformed opinions.

Good luck with that, guys.