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Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811114)
When a protester is standing still, not resisting arrest, you place handcuffs on them, take them by the elbow, and walk them to the paddy wagon. If they are sitting quietly or passively relaxing, you handcuff them, and two police drag them by the elbows to the paddy wagon.

You do NOT charge into them in a group, waving your batons, hitting them when there is zero resistance, throwing them to the ground, and sitting on them, then dragging them across the ground to the paddy wagon.

As is visible in multiple videos of the "Boston Cops vs Veterans for Peace" videos out there.
ok Commissioner Gordon

somerfrost 10-14-2011 04:53 PM
[quote=Cannon Shell;811111]
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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 811102)

Give me a break. When you are repeatedly warned that you are to disperse, you are supposed to disperse. We have laws in this country that are to be followed so that we dont have riots. You cant complain about one set of laws when you dont follow another. If you are injured resisting arrest then it is your fault. Nothing in that video looked like police brutality.
As I said, the response is always the same. Bull issued "lawful" orders to disperse, then resorted to firehoses, dogs and clubs. The National Guard at Kent issued "lawful" orders then moved on to random killing as did the State Police at Jackson. There is never one side that is 100% to blame or is blameless, but power does not equate to "right" and the laws of man are only as morally justified as they are fair to all.

Riot 10-14-2011 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811118)
Which aspect that has been repealed?
Maybe you should just pay better attention to what happens in this country.

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There is zero chance that 40% of the people milling about in NYC protests have any clue what the Glass-Steagle act is.
It is really laughable to think that you believe that. Of course you believe the 1st stimulus was a big success too despite all evidence (like occupy Wall street) to the contrary.
Well, you clearly know all about it. And you aren't going to let any evidence or facts to the contrary change your mind :tro: :D

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811116)
:zz: How will a transaction tax on computer stock trading cause money to flow out of the country?
They will divert money to trading on foreign markets where no transaction taxes exist (Hong Kong/China wont go for it) or the money may be taken out of play entirely.

jms62 10-14-2011 04:59 PM
;)
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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 811103)
Been on a lot of tables for a long time and is likely to stay there. The issues will be in wording the document to make it seem (and I hate using this word) fair for everyone. I should not be discouraged or prevented from investing in a company I have faith in and hope to make a profit, despite my level of investment. Most of my $ goes into my company and its expansion. I do however gamble in the markets and it has paid off over the years. But the rules should be the same for everyone and while they are not now, a rule like that would make me even less likely to dive in.
;)Nice market redboard. They should put a stiff charge on trades held less than 10 minutes. The progams are making this so volatile.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811117)
As someone concerned about costs to cities to run governments, I'd think you'd support the protesters not wanting the city to give away $5 billion dollars in tax income by giving a special tax break to those earning a million dollars and above.

Yes or no?
Sure and then watch as those people move to a new location where someelse gives them a tax break and you get none of their money.

Riot 10-14-2011 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811124)
They will divert money to trading on foreign markets where no transaction taxes exist (Hong Kong/China wont go for it) or the money may be taken out of play entirely.
So the big American Wall Street investment firms are going to move out of the country and cease practicing here if there is a 0.1% tax on trades, and a 0.01% tax on derivative trades.

Have they said this?

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 811112)

So if someone is accused of breaking a misdemeanor law, and stands there passively without resistance as the police come to arrest them, the police are entitled to beat them in the process of the arrest, because they are of course guilty?

Holy ****ing crap.
Your definition of beating is obviously quite different than most.

Riot 10-14-2011 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 811125)
They should put a stiff charge on trades held less than 10 minutes. The progams are making this so volatile.
:tro:

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 05:03 PM
[quote=somerfrost;811122]
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811111)

As I said, the response is always the same. Bull issued "lawful" orders to disperse, then resorted to firehoses, dogs and clubs. The National Guard at Kent issued "lawful" orders then moved on to random killing as did the State Police at Jackson. There is never one side that is 100% to blame or is blameless, but power does not equate to "right" and the laws of man are only as morally justified as they are fair to all.
What should they do? How would you deal with it? Comparing Kent state and the videos Riot posted is laughable. How would you deal with a situation where people intentionally bring about confrontation by not following police orders?

Riot 10-14-2011 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811126)
Sure and then watch as those people move to a new location where someelse gives them a tax break and you get none of their money.
Yes. Those poor millionaires and above, currently paying that terrible tax on that income today, will luckily stop their needless suffering when it expires 12/31/2011.

They won't have to now move out of New York! Yay! They were all threatening to, you know ... just couldn't take it any more!

Millionaires and billionaires will collectively, gain $5 billion dollars, and NY City will lose that money. Don't worry - NYC will spread that $5 billion dollars in tax loss out on increased tax rates for those that make less than a million dollars, to get that money back. Or stop giving out $5 billion in city services that will negatively affect every citizen, not just those of wealth.

But the millionaires and billionaires won't have to move from that nasty New York! Yay!

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811127)
So the big American Wall Street investment firms are going to move out of the country and cease practicing here if there is a 0.1% tax on trades, and a 0.01% tax on derivative trades.

Have they said this?
Do you think that will be a deterrent at those levels? And yes they will move money to places they will make more money. That is pretty clear no?

jms62 10-14-2011 05:06 PM
[quote=Cannon Shell;811128]
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811120)

Your definition of beating is obviously quite different than most.
Cannon wtf i never posted that. Things are effed up here

jms62 10-14-2011 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811129)
:tro:
Right 10 minutes allows the daytraders to still play but those gaming the system will get punished.

Riot 10-14-2011 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811128)

Your definition of beating is obviously quite different than most.
Being charged and knocked over, hit in the head with a truncheon and thrown to the ground, then being sat upon, while standing still passively accepting arrest with no resistance, for a misdemeanor, doesn't count as "beating" in your book?

You should teach at the police academy.

jms62 10-14-2011 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811132)
Do you think that will be a deterrent at those levels? And yes they will move money to places they will make more money. That is pretty clear no?
Our casino is the best in the world. They will never leave.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811131)
Yes. Those poor millionaires and above, currently paying that terrible tax on that income today, will luckily stop their needless suffering when it expires 12/31/2011.

They won't have to now move out of New York! Yay!

Millionaires and billionaires will collectively, gain $5 billion dollars, and NY City will lose that money.
Like I said things dont operate in a vaccum.

Riot 10-14-2011 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811128)

Cannon wtf i never posted that. Things are effed up here
No, I posted that, the auto-reply quote things are weird today. See what happened above? You said that, but it quoted as Cannon

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811135)
Being charged and knocked over, hit in the head with a truncheon and thrown to the ground, then being sat upon, while standing still passively accepting arrest with no resistance, for a misdemeanor, doesn't count as "beating" in your book?

You should teach at the police academy.
Yeah they really Rodney King'ed them

Riot 10-14-2011 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811137)
Like I said things dont operate in a vaccum.
But nice to know you side with the millionaires, and not the protesters. Your opinion, you're entitled to it.

But then perhaps you should not bitch about the cost of city services for "cities that have no money" when the protesters simply exercise their constitutional rights as citizens of that city.

It looks really bad.

Chuck: Protesters cost money! Cities don't have money! Bad protesters! They are expensive!

Beth: Those protesters are protesting the loss of $5 billion dollars in city income, due to tax breaks for the rich in that city. That will cut city services like fire, police, sanitation, and negatively affect everyone, or increase the taxes on those that make less than 1 million dollars.

Chuck: But millionaires will leave the city without those tax breaks!

Beth: Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, millionaires.


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