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Riot 01-11-2011 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 741754)
Wow, I'm glad I'm not dead too! Ten pages and counting of the "blame game", useless babble! Hear that the Congresswoman is breathing on her own today, good sign but recovery is a long road, I pray she recovers fully and leads a normal life.
Well, some of it was trying to fight the "blame game", and "blame game" falsehoods, but what the hell :D

SOREHOOF 01-11-2011 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 741772)
I'm not ready to get rid of laws that say robbery and murder are punishable offenses, thanks. I do suspect there is a bit of a deterrent factor there.
I don't want to either. But if a criminal thinks everyone in a given place may be armed he (or she) might decide to go after easier prey. I know you aren't anti gun. There has been no uptick in crimes like this since the ban on these magazines expired 7 years ago. The "assault weapon" ban did nothing to protect anyone although I'm sure it made a lot of progressive politicians feel good about themselves.

Riot 01-11-2011 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 741776)
I don't want to either. But if a criminal thinks everyone in a given place may be armed he (or she) might decide to go after easier prey. I know you aren't anti gun. There has been no uptick in crimes like this since the ban on these magazines expired 7 years ago. The "assault weapon" ban did nothing to protect anyone although I'm sure it made a lot of progressive politicians feel good about themselves.
I'm trying to remember the name of the movie, where the guy in public pulls a gun, and everyone (civilians, old ladies, etc) around him pulls theirs and draws down on him .... c'mon, what was that movie?

The only reason they could tackle this guy was the halt to reload. Everyone was still there. Thank god they took him down. Go, senior citizens!

dellinger63 01-11-2011 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 741762)
Sigh. My head hurts.

I simply was wondering if he didn't have a gun at all on his person, would he still have gone towards shots?
At least now you've declassified into just wondering. When it mattered well that was weird. And when you originally wrote, "What they didn't ask him, and what I would want to know, is would Joe have gone outside if he didn't have a gun on him? I would guess not. He still gets credit for being brave."

I took that as in your opinion 'Joe' would not have been so brave w/o a gun when in fact he went outside, gun in pocket, not drawn to offer aid so my guess would have been yes he would have. You however have always seemed to have had insight into the lives and thoughts of people you don't even know.

You maybe right. Not that it matters or is even worth wondering about?

SOREHOOF 01-11-2011 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 741777)
I'm trying to remember the name of the movie, where the guy in public pulls a gun, and everyone (civilians, old ladies, etc) around him pulls theirs and draws down on him .... c'mon, what was that movie?

The only reason they could tackle this guy was the halt to reload. Everyone was still there. Thank god they took him down. Go, senior citizens!
I remember that scene too. If he had another weapon he wouldn't have had to stop. 1 30 rounder or 3 10's doesn't matter. This guy was out to kill as many innocent people as he could. I can't get over that smirk in the mug shot. I do believe he is insane, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him not convicted because of it. I don't think that's right, but that's what it appears to me.

Riot 01-11-2011 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 741784)
I remember that scene too. If he had another weapon he wouldn't have had to stop. 1 30 rounder or 3 10's doesn't matter. This guy was out to kill as many innocent people as he could. I can't get over that smirk in the mug shot. I do believe he is insane, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him not convicted because of it. I don't think that's right, but that's what it appears to me.
Yeah, I agree that's a "I hear the dogs, they told me to do it" type of face. It's really difficult to get the crazies help. Look at all the warning flares here. "You scare people" isn't cause for a 3-day psych old, unfortunately.

ArlJim78 01-11-2011 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 741775)
Well, some of it was trying to fight the "blame game", and "blame game" falsehoods, but what the hell :D
you mean falsehoods like the one that claims that all violent images and gun references come from one party? only democrats and their despicable media lapdogs are playing the blame game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJOR...layer_embedded

Princess Doreen 01-11-2011 07:37 PM
Rep. Giffords doctor says,

"She has a 101 percent chance of surviving," said trauma chief Dr. Peter Rhee said. "She will not die. She does not have that permission from me."

A very good article on her injury, current condition, and prognosis.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018273...th-health_care

Princess Doreen 01-11-2011 08:04 PM

They gotta change their name and logo - much too provicative. :wf

dellinger63 01-11-2011 09:41 PM
I must have missed all the outrage when the following was released..

» Death of a President (2006)
97 min - Crime | Drama | Mystery - 21 December 2006

Years after the assassination of President George W. Bush in Chicago, an investigative documentary examines that as-yet-unsolved crime.


Director: Gabriel Range
Writers: Gabriel Range, Simon Finch
Stars:Hend Ayoub, Becky Ann Baker and Brian Boland


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/

timmgirvan 01-11-2011 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 741836)

They gotta change their name and logo - much too provicative. :wf
Aren't they French......Tarjhay!

SOREHOOF 01-11-2011 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 741852)
I must have missed all the outrage when the following was released..

» Death of a President (2006)
97 min - Crime | Drama | Mystery - 21 December 2006

Years after the assassination of President George W. Bush in Chicago, an investigative documentary examines that as-yet-unsolved crime.


Director: Gabriel Range
Writers: Gabriel Range, Simon Finch
Stars:Hend Ayoub, Becky Ann Baker and Brian Boland


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0853096/
You know that doesn't count.

Danzig 01-12-2011 07:44 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41027365...me_and_courts/


westboro baptist 'church' plans to protest at the nine year old girls funeral. how disgusting. i cannot imagine the pain her folks are feeling, and now these creeps want to make it worse.

arizonadave 01-12-2011 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 741960)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41027365...me_and_courts/


westboro baptist 'church' plans to protest at the nine year old girls funeral. how disgusting. i cannot imagine the pain her folks are feeling, and now these creeps want to make it worse.

They plan to protest all the funerals.

herkhorse 01-12-2011 08:41 AM
Jahevious Christ, they say God did it, the princess says the devil did it, the right say the left did it, the left say the right did it, I'm getting confused. :zz::zz:

Coach Pants 01-12-2011 08:45 AM
It's Captain Hindsight to the rescue!

He simply cannot be crazy!! There has to be another reason! I must have answers! I must blame people I dislike!

geeker2 01-12-2011 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 741623)
Sorry Doreen. What you post doesn't support your contention at all.

You - and the right wing hysteria machine - said the Sheriff originally called out right wing/conservatives. That's your excuse for attacking him. He did not. That's clear on the tapes of the press conference.

The Sheriff never, in his press conference, called out the right or conservatives, did he?

Now, later - after the right wing hysterics have been screaming for 24 hours that he called them out when he didn't - he's on talk shows talking about how it doesn't surprise him the right wing hysteria machine ginned itself up over him simply talking about vitriolic talk in a general way.

It's laughable. That's exactly what happened. As Brian pointed out. As we are pointing out now. You've now proved my point for me. Thanks :D ;)

I get it now.

He didn't believe the right was the issue until after he did the press conference.

Then after talking to the media - he then made up his mind.


I can see that.






I had a gay friend -she wasn't gay until she came out and told everyone.


I can see that.

declansharbor 01-12-2011 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 741960)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41027365...me_and_courts/


westboro baptist 'church' plans to protest at the nine year old girls funeral. how disgusting. i cannot imagine the pain her folks are feeling, and now these creeps want to make it worse.
I'm surprised these nutbags made it out of Philly alive.

I really don't know what I'd do if I were at a funeral and these crumbs were outside picketing. Rest assured, standing idle would NOT be an option.

Princess Doreen 01-12-2011 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 741981)
I'm surprised these nutbags made it out of Philly alive.

I really don't know what I'd do if I were at a funeral and these crumbs were outside picketing. Rest assured, standing idle would NOT be an option.
And, that is precisely the type of reaction they wish to evoke.

This group is pretty good at keeping these nutcases away -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Guard_Riders

They might even expand their mission to protect the sanctity of the funerals of the Arizona victims.

P. S. - just found this

http://www.blogforarizona.com/blog/2...47e179921a970b


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