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The Indomitable DrugS 10-03-2010 12:51 PM

He bet against her yesterday?

St. Trinians is the only horse she's faced all year who isn't a complete joke - and anyone with any sense knows St. Trinians was the better horse that day.

NTamm1215 10-03-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane (Post 702661)
To be more accurate the entire field in the Santa Margarita ran a new beyer top except for the last place finisher and Switch ran a new top. Other than that no horse she has run against has been given a top lifetime figure.

Rinterval got a lifetime top for the Hirsch.

Port Conway Lane 10-03-2010 12:53 PM

thx, that is correct.

Port Conway Lane 10-03-2010 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 702663)
Rinterval got a lifetime top for the Hirsch.

So if the beyers are accurate the last two fillies who finished second to her ran the race of their lives.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-03-2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane (Post 702661)
To be more accurate the entire field in the Santa Margarita ran a new beyer top except for the last place finisher and Switch ran a new top. Other than that no horse she has run against has been given a top lifetime figure.

Just from her last race at Del Mar - Rinterval and Princess Taylor both were.

St. Trinians broke into the side of the gate - got a horrid ride - lost a shoe - and still equalled her lifetime top - which was a race like 5 back.

Gio Ponti hasn't come within 9 or 10 points of his BC Classic fig this year.

Obviously - none of that has anything to do with her figures being inflated. There are other routes on these cards.

Port Conway Lane 10-03-2010 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 702666)
Just from her last race at Del Mar - Rinterval and Princess Taylor both were.

St. Trinians broke into the side of the gate - got a horrid ride - lost a shoe - and still equalled her lifetime top - which was a race like 5 back.

Gio Ponti hasn't come within 9 or 10 points of his BC Classic fig this year.

Obviously - none of that has anything to do with her figures being inflated. There are other routes on these cards.

Sry, missed Princess Taylor too. Gio Ponti has nothing to do with this years races. St. Trinians is another example of a horse who finished second to her and supposedly ran the race of her life.

hockey2315 10-03-2010 01:14 PM

Maybe a little bit of her greatness just rubs off on everyone around her.

blackthroatedwind 10-03-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 702670)
Maybe a little bit of her greatness just rubs off on everyone around her.

Not on her fans on the internet.

Danzig 10-03-2010 02:45 PM

i've seen mentions about zenyatta helping the sport, bringing attention to it, etc. it's simply not true. everyone who knows me knows i'm a racing fan, and many folks are also sports fans. every year, there are questions about the derby winner, the ark derby winner. people ask about the dee tee horses. there was mention of rachel when she was running. not one person has ever asked me about zenyatta. that's how much she's in the mainstream, and how much attention she's garnering outside of racing and outside the west coast.

miraja2 10-03-2010 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 702662)
St. Trinians is the only horse she's faced all year who isn't a complete joke - and anyone with any sense knows St. Trinians was the better horse that day.

I agree with your overall point, but I think the Baffert filly who ran second yesterday is actually pretty decent.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-03-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 702731)
I agree with your overall point, but I think the Baffert filly who ran second yesterday is actually pretty decent.

Switch is a Sadler filly.

I'd like to see her run on dirt again - Devil May Care beat her by 9 lengths at Gulfstream in the Bonnie Miss.

Round Pen 10-03-2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 702688)
i've seen mentions about zenyatta helping the sport, bringing attention to it, etc. it's simply not true. everyone who knows me knows i'm a racing fan, and many folks are also sports fans. every year, there are questions about the derby winner, the ark derby winner. people ask about the dee tee horses. there was mention of rachel when she was running. not one person has ever asked me about zenyatta. that's how much she's in the mainstream, and how much attention she's garnering outside of racing and outside the west coast.

Good Points but here's were I disagree I was sitting in a Pizza Restaurant at 7:15 EDT last night in Ocala Fl, it was full 60 or 70 people. We switched over to TVG to watch the Race a couple of tables Ask why did you do that. I went on to explain what was going on atleast 1/2 the people were listening to me and they had no Ideal who Zenyatta was. but as the race was unfolding everyone in the Place was cheering for Zenyatta it was actually kind of crazy. So atleast in Ocala Fl last night Zenyatta did help bring attention to the sport in a restaurant were 1/2 the Crowd had no ideal who she was.

Danzig 10-03-2010 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Round Pen (Post 702753)
Good Points but here's were I disagree I was sitting in a Pizza Restaurant at 7:15 EDT last night in Ocala Fl, it was full 60 or 70 people. We switched over to TVG to watch the Race a couple of tables Ask why did you do that. I went on to explain what was going on atleast 1/2 the people were listening to me and they had no Ideal who Zenyatta was. but as the race was unfolding everyone in the Place was cheering for Zenyatta it was actually kind of crazy. So atleast in Ocala Fl last night Zenyatta did help bring attention to the sport in a restaurant were 1/2 the Crowd had no ideal who she was.

i'd say it was you, not zenyatta, who brought their attention to a race. but hey, if you made a couple new fans yesterday, good for you.

miraja2 10-03-2010 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 702742)
Switch is a Sadler filly.

Oh yeah, that's what I meant.

She might not be much on dirt, but her last three synthetic efforts have been pretty good.

2Hot4TV 10-03-2010 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 702688)
i've seen mentions about zenyatta helping the sport, bringing attention to it, etc. it's simply not true. everyone who knows me knows i'm a racing fan, and many folks are also sports fans. every year, there are questions about the derby winner, the ark derby winner. people ask about the dee tee horses. there was mention of rachel when she was running. not one person has ever asked me about zenyatta. that's how much she's in the mainstream, and how much attention she's garnering outside of racing and outside the west coast.

I make it a point to ask people who won the Kentucky Derby in the week after its run and 99% dont even know that the race was run. Our sport just isn't main stream anymore.

nomad 10-04-2010 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 702676)
Not on her fans on the internet.

Now THAT was funny.

Gotta say I'm a big Z fan, seen her 3x and never fails to amaze & thrill me. There are no numbers or stats for that.
I think she will win the BC classic again. The question is...who will be second?

miraja2 10-04-2010 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by nomad (Post 702967)
I'm a big Z fan, seen her 3x and never fails to amaze & thrill me. There are no numbers or stats for that.

Okay, and if Andy Beyer writes a column claiming that you haven't seen her three times, or that she sometimes fails to amaze and thrill you....he would probably deserve harsh criticism.
However, pretty much everything he said in this piece happens to be true.

Smooth Operator 10-04-2010 08:49 AM

If someone would've told me five or ten years ago that someday a 6-year-old mare will be the morning line favorite in the BCC … I would've called them a clueless moron.

This is just sick. :cool:

Antitrust32 10-04-2010 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Round Pen (Post 702753)
Good Points but here's were I disagree I was sitting in a Pizza Restaurant at 7:15 EDT last night in Ocala Fl, it was full 60 or 70 people. We switched over to TVG to watch the Race a couple of tables Ask why did you do that. I went on to explain what was going on atleast 1/2 the people were listening to me and they had no Ideal who Zenyatta was. but as the race was unfolding everyone in the Place was cheering for Zenyatta it was actually kind of crazy. So atleast in Ocala Fl last night Zenyatta did help bring attention to the sport in a restaurant were 1/2 the Crowd had no ideal who she was.

you know she doesnt gather much attention when half the people in a thoroughbred town named Ocala dont know who she is.

With that said, I'm not sure if any of my friends here in Ocala know who she is.

Dahoss 10-04-2010 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 703064)
If someone would've told me five or ten years ago that someday a 6-year-old mare will be the morning line favorite in the BCC … I would've called them a clueless moron.

This is just sick. :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-A1ps_m7Jk


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