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Cannon Shell 05-18-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
You are actually using Olympic basketball as an example? LOL. Okay, Lebron can cover a euro swingman in the olympics and that means he can cover Dwayne Wade. And you say i am being ludicrous. And i dont watch much NBA?

Ben Wallace was every bit of 6 9 and had freakish upper body strength and athleticism. Besides, Ben wouldnt guard the bigger centers most of the time...that job went to rasheed. Perhaps you should have watched the games back then. They were interesting.:)

Yeah Olympic basketball where the vast majority of starters on the better teams are NBA or Euroleague players. You know the Olympics that many on this board thought that we would lose like the previous olympics. Yeah the players are terrible.
Saying that a person cant guard a particular position and using Dwayne Wade as an example of the type of player at that position seems a little excessive doesnt it? Does that mean every guard in the NBA during the late 80's and 90's couldnt play defense because they couldnt seem to cover Micheal Jordan?

If you happen to go to a Cavs game please note that Lebron is bigger than Ben Wallace and I am doubting that Wallace has shrunk much other than his hair.

Your contentions are fairly ludicrous. But keep digging. Maybe next you'll tell me that Lebron couldnt guard Jerry West or Bob Cousy or George Mikan or Danny Ainge or Connie Hawkins or Herman the helicopter or Trevor Ariza or Wes Unseld or Elvin hayes because he is 6"8 and 250 and is either too slow or too weak or too tall or too short to mess with them.

dalakhani 05-18-2009 09:02 PM

[quote=Cannon Shell]Yeah Olympic basketball where the vast majority of starters on the better teams are NBA or Euroleague players. You know the Olympics that many on this board thought that we would lose like the previous olympics. Yeah the players are terrible.
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Look who is trying to change the argument now. LOL. No one said anything about Olympic guards being "terrible". My point is that they arent as athletic as NBA two guards. How many euros start two guard in the NBA? Why do you think that that is?

So of course Lebron can cover a guard in the NBA but can't effectively cover a good two guard. He simply doesnt have the lateral mobility...being 280 lbs like you claim.

dalakhani 05-18-2009 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell



Your contentions are fairly ludicrous. But keep digging. Maybe next you'll tell me that Lebron couldnt guard Jerry West or Bob Cousy or George Mikan or Danny Ainge or Connie Hawkins or Herman the helicopter or Trevor Ariza or Wes Unseld or Elvin hayes because he is 6"8 and 250 and is either too slow or too weak or too tall or too short to mess with them.

I know i have someone on the ropes when they start talking about "digging" and then they start bringing up players from other eras to support their futile arguments.

We are talking about here and now. In case someone hasnt come down to the barn and told you, ainge doesnt play anymore and neither does west, cousy or mikan. They are all players from another era and it is debatable as to whether or not they would have had the same success in this era. We are talking about HERE AND NOW. And here and now, Lebron James is not mobile enough laterally to stay with a quick NBA two guard and certainly not an average NBA point. He can't cover five positions and your attempt to try to stay with this ridiculous contention shows either a lack of knowledge of the game or a silly stubborness.

Me thinks it is more the latter.;)

pgardn 05-18-2009 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I know i have someone on the ropes when they start talking about "digging" and then they start bringing up players from other eras to support their futile arguments.

We are talking about here and now. In case someone hasnt come down to the barn and told you, ainge doesnt play anymore and neither does west, cousy or mikan. They are all players from another era and it is debatable as to whether or not they would have had the same success in this era. We are talking about HERE AND NOW. And here and now, Lebron James is not mobile enough laterally to stay with a quick NBA two guard and certainly not an average NBA point. He can't cover five positions and your attempt to try to stay with this ridiculous contention shows either a lack of knowledge of the game or a silly stubborness.

Me thinks it is more the latter.;)

It really depends on what points and two's we refer to. He obviously would have a difficult time with Chris Paul or Tony Parker. Really fast PG that can shoot. But he could easily cover Rajon "no shot" Rhondo (sp?). He would obviously get much more tired covering either a guard or centers for reasons that involve legs.

But if you had to name one guy who would be the best
at covering all 5 positions, it would have to be Lebron.

To change the subject a bit.

I think it would be very interesting to see the younger
Dennis Rodman who played very good defense (not the older
version that just waited for rebounds) cover Lebron. Rodman
crazy, and stringy-quick-strong, playing against a guy that
might eventually try to kill him. Rodman also excelled at drawing
charges. This matchup would be classic.

dalakhani 05-18-2009 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
It really depends on what points and two's we refer to. He obviously would have a difficult time with Chris Paul or Tony Parker. Really fast PG that can shoot. But he could easily cover Rajon "no shot" Rhondo (sp?). He would obviously get much more tired covering either a guard or centers for reasons that involve legs.

But if you had to name one guy who would be the best
at covering all 5 positions, it would have to be Lebron
.

To change the subject a bit.

I think it would be very interesting to see the younger
Dennis Rodman who played very good defense (not the older
version that just waited for rebounds) cover Lebron. Rodman
crazy, and stringy-quick-strong, playing against a guy that
might eventually try to kill him. Rodman also excelled at drawing
charges. This matchup would be classic.

No...it would be Garnett but you would have to say Lebron is in the conversation. Rodman is the only player that I have seen literally cover all five positions and he was an extraordinary once in a lifetime defender. Did he have to flop against the big boys? Yes. But was he just something to behold? Rodman would have locked him down like he did Bird and to a lesser degree Magic and Worthy although Locking Lebron down simply means holding him to 29 points.

As far as Lebron covering Rondo there is no way. Rondo is too quick and gets to the basket too well. Could he cover kidd? Sure...but who cant these days? But a guy like Brooks who was killing the lakers but yet is very mediocre? No way. He simply isnt that good of a "lock down defender"...yet. Let me add that at 250 (or 280 as chuck claims) there is no way he should be able to guard small players like that. Kobe could but he was 40 lbs lighter and much more mobile laterally. Remember, kobe could lock down on the other teams best scorer whether it be 1,2, or 3. He could guard Iverson in AI's prime and Wade in Wade's prime. Lebron will never be able to do that.

King Glorious 05-18-2009 11:29 PM

This stuff is pure comedy. LeBron can't guard all five positions but Garnett can? This is better than anything on tv. Keep it coming guys.

dalakhani 05-19-2009 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
This stuff is pure comedy. LeBron can't guard all five positions but Garnett can? This is better than anything on tv. Keep it coming guys.

I didnt say he could and to borrow your line i would love for you to show me where i did say that. I dont think anyone can guard five positions.

Cannon Shell 05-19-2009 09:47 AM

ok you got me. i was wrong. i will admit Jerry West knows basketball better than I do. He says lebron could only play 4 positions...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4178437

dalakhani 05-19-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
ok you got me. i was wrong. i will admit Jerry West knows basketball better than I do. He says lebron could only play 4 positions...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4178437

LOL. No one debated whether or not he could play four positions. The question was whether he could legitimately DEFEND five positions. Of course he can play 1,2,3 or 4...and?

Just give it up. First you bring up Euro swingmen and then you try to misquote jerry west when it is obvious in that article he wasnt talking about defense. Geeez, is it that big of a deal to be wrong about something?

SniperSB23 05-19-2009 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Anyone else amused by all of the drama involving the WWE event being scheduled the same night as game 3 of the Western finals? Obviously basketball is going to win out, but if I was Vince McMahon I'd be pretty pissed. He reserved the arena last August.

Yeah, and apparently on April 15th they sent paperwork to the WWE making sure they still wanted to reserve the arena. I think this will wind up a bigger deal, I could see Vince doing a show in the parking lot or something to get the publicity which could cause major traffic issues.

SniperSB23 05-19-2009 10:31 AM

The funny part too is Monday Night Raw drew more viewers than any of the Mavs/Nuggets games:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/12...pongebob/18531

dalakhani 05-19-2009 10:34 AM

That would be some piece of marketing to have a wrestling/basketball double header extravaganza. Do you think it would work? I would imagine the demographic is a little different.

SniperSB23 05-19-2009 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
That would be some piece of marketing to have a wrestling/basketball double header extravaganza. Do you think it would work? I would imagine the demographic is a little different.

You have different demographics but the bigger problem would be it would take a couple hours to take down the wrestling stage, ring, floor seats, etc, and then setup the court. They would probably have to have the wrestling at noon to possibly be able to do both in one day.

King Glorious 05-19-2009 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I didnt say he could and to borrow your line i would love for you to show me where i did say that. I dont think anyone can guard five positions.

Ok, true. You didn't say he could. You said if you had to name one guy that would be the best at guarding all five, it would be Garnett. You honestly feel that Garnett would be able to come closer to guarding a point guard than James could to guarding a center? Hell, James is stronger than most centers in the league. Garnett couldn't guard any point guards.

pgardn 05-19-2009 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Ok, true. You didn't say he could. You said if you had to name one guy that would be the best at guarding all five, it would be Garnett. You honestly feel that Garnett would be able to come closer to guarding a point guard than James could to guarding a center? Hell, James is stronger than most centers in the league. Garnett couldn't guard any point guards.

Agreed.

ANd overall
this is a classic
practice in futility.

dalakhani 05-19-2009 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Ok, true. You didn't say he could. You said if you had to name one guy that would be the best at guarding all five, it would be Garnett. You honestly feel that Garnett would be able to come closer to guarding a point guard than James could to guarding a center? Hell, James is stronger than most centers in the league. Garnett couldn't guard any point guards.

You honestly think James can cover an NBA point guard? A legit NBA point guard?

ateamstupid 05-19-2009 10:56 PM

Terrible job by the Nuggets. Plenty of chances to finish the Lakers off and never put the dagger in.

ateamstupid 05-19-2009 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I thought it was pretty fitting Ariza came up with that steal late in the game. I have no dog in this fight, but he's better than was made out earlier in the thread. He's a very good defender.

I thought you were a Laker fan?


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