I like this horse... very happy to hear he's in.

Oh, I doubt the jog had anything to do with it all.

It was decided long ago.

:tro:


just saw the news that he's running. whatever.

I believe it's entirely possible he really did not like Santa Anita, as his races at HP were clearly better.

This begs the question, however, of whether or not he's going to be better on synth/turf than dirt.

That must have been some jog. :rolleyes:

What you said makes no sense. You're just taking the opposite side out of boredom which is why I didn't waste anytime on a real response.

So let me preface this by saying I know absolutely nothing about shockwave therapy, but for the folks who do, is this a normal occurrence for a sound horse? In reference to I'll Have Another, of course.

Fine. I don't think the horse will run top 15 in the Derby, I can understand someone running a horse in the Derby, what I said made complete sense and that is where you are wrong. The horse ran slower earlier in the Bay Shore than his previous two races. That is simply what happened. Wind or not it was still slower. I am not taking any opposite side. I'm simply justifying why someone is running in the Derby and offered what happened in a previous race as minor justification. Lots of things happen in horse racing that are inexplicable. I'm sure anyone on this board at this time 3 years ago making impassioned justifications for Mine That Bird winning the Derby would have been lauged at and abused to infinity here. And that's all fine. I'm not even doing that. I'm not making claims this horse will win, I'm simply saying it's accpeptable that he's running in the race.

"Extracorporeal shock wave therapy (ESWT) has become an emerging new technology for treating musculoskeletal problems, soft-tissue injuries and bone injuries in horses. ESWT is non-invasive, used to stimulate healing to return horses to a level of fully sound, useful activity without recurrence of disease.

From outside the body (extracorporeal), the machine generates high-intensity shock or pressure waves, which pulse to a specific site within the injured tissue. Though its actual mode of action is still in dispute, it stimulates and accelerates the healing process, essentially combining an immediate analgesic effect with a reduction in inflammation, neovascularization in soft tissue and osteogenesis in bone. According to Dr. Scott McClure, DVM, Iowa State University, a leading researcher in the field, it can be used to treat various conditions, such as suspensory ligament desmitis, navicular disease, saucer fractures, bucked shins, bowed tendon, sesamoid fractures, stress fractures and vertebral spinal pain (kissing spine lesions)."


http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm.../detail/162182

here's a pretty good summary of what shockwave is, and what it treats.



I just asked one of my bosses about using shockwave on sound race horses.. she said she overheard that it IS being used that way and she's going to try and find out some more information about why and how its used on sound horses. I'm wondering if its used to create better bone density. I'll let you know when I hear more from my boss.

No one said it was unacceptable they are running. What was discussed is why it's a horrible choice.

Comparing Mine That Bird (who had two turn victories) to a horse who has never gone two turns and yet to go past 7 furlongs is ridiculous. Justifying this horrible decision because the horse ran a slower quarter in his most recent race is borderline insane.

I got another opinion on why you would use shockwave on sound race horses.. the answer was "blood flow"

just read about his shockwave therapy on bloodhorse. apparently they treated his lumbar region, that he'd tied up after a work....

Mark Valeski OUT
 

Will go to the Peter Pan instead - D Wayne draws in with Optimizer... Per HRTV

PIM: 5/19/12 - Preakness Stakes (G1)

I'll Have Another (O'Neill)
Bodemeister (Baffert)
Went The Day Well (Motion)
Creative Cause (Harrington)
Liaison (Baffert)
Hansen (Maker) -- Possible
Optimizer (Lukas)
Pretension (Grove)
Brimstone Island (Campbell)
Cozzetti (Romans)
Hierro (Asmussen)
Isn't He Clever (Asmussen) -- Possible
Paynter (Baffert)
Teeth of the Dog (Matz)
Tiger Walk (Correas)
Went the Day Well (Motion)
Zetterholm (R. Dutrow)

You knew Optimizer was a definite regardless of the result yesterday. I am sure he is already a definite for the Belmont. Lukas wants to make that streak DiMaggio proof.

Odd, no Gemologist.


More evidence that perhaps something went amiss.

The dreaded "will give him a couple of weeks off at WinStar Farm" pretty much seals the deal.

If this happens -- Mike Maker should just waive a white flag.

The Lumber Guy got a loose lead in the Wood Memorial and turned in a 14 second final 1/8th.

What is it with connections trying to ruin good sprinters in Triple Crown races?

I'd love to see The Lumber Guy at a mile.

TC races make otherwise slamdunk decisions into real headscratchers.

If The Lumber Guy doesn't get early pressure -- his limit is a mile. However, I think his best game is probably 6.5 furlongs.

Hansen should go to Hollywood Park. First off, they'd probably let the owner paint the horse's tail, especially turqoise and pink so they can promote Zenyatta some more. Secondly, he could be as devastating as Old Trieste in races like the Affirmed and the Swaps.

Could you imagine Hansen in a 5-horse Grade 3 going 8.5f at that track?

Liaison and Rousing Sermon can round out the tri.

Agree on all counts.

Hansen is off the triple crown. He is fine physically..but hes not running in the Preakness and Belmont.

1st Long Branch
1st Haskell
5th Travers
8th BC Classic
retired

According to Maker maybe.

That owner seems like the type of person who can change his mind on a whim.

FTFY

Jay Privman ‏ @DRFPrivman
Went the Day Well, troubled 4th in Derby, definite for Preakness, according to Team Valor CEO Barry Irwin. Velazquez rides back. #preakness

Interesting to me on a couple levels. In the last couple years, this is the kind of horse that has automatically been pointed toward the Belmont.

Revised

I think there are some interesting new shooters, but I'd have to think any of them are only usable underneath, and deeply underneath at that. I think even Creative Cause and Liaison will be solid in the Preakness, as well as Went The Day Well, Bodemiester and I'll Have Another of course.

Hansen (if he goes), along with Paynter could lead to another quick pace, Bodemeister needs to simply relax and mature in the next two weeks;)

Great looking Preakness

I'm not prepared to give up on Isn't He Clever just yet - He seems a logical outsider that can impact the exotics

Agreed.

I also think I'll let Went the Day Well beat me again in the Preakness if he goes.

That's a pretty rag-tag group of new shooters.

Interestingly, the only two horses since Deputed Testamony to win the Preakness without having run in the Ky Derby are Red Bullet and Rachel Alexandra. Red Bullet is the only horse in the last 30+ years to win without having had a race in the prior 21 days.

This group of 3-year-olds appears even worse than the weak crops of 2011, 2010, and 2009, with the notable exception of Bodemeister, whose effort on Saturday was so good that the defeat didn’t even sting Baffert. “This is the only time I’ve run second where I’ve been happy because he ran his race,” the trainer said. “He’s a brilliant horse.”

Andrew Beyer in the main article on DRF right now.

Bernardini

Right, I confused myself with the "didn't run in the Derby but ran just 7 days prior" portion of that statistic. Bernardini, of course, ran 3 weeks prior to the Preakness in the Withers.

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Am I misremembering something? Didn't Bernardini win the Preakness the year Barbaro was injured? I was thinking he was a new shooter.

Sorry, guess I should have read all of the comments. :D

The Lumber Guy opts for Peter Pan