Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 720226)

THere's a Zenyatta HOTY 2010 page on facebook and there are almost 2,000 fans of it already. I'm telling you guys, she's going to win it. Sad, but true.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 720225)

Deflecting attention away from Zenyatta's 2010 schedule is a smart play. Again why aren't her fans asking why she was kept in such soft company all year?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 720225)

JC Guerrero is so good they need to create a total eclipse award for him.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 720072)

When your favorite horse runs in 2-3 meaningful races her entire career, you really have to make stretches to compare her to the greats.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 720206)

The sport is a great game that stands on its own merits.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720236)

Good luck getting an answer to this.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 720242)

ah running in 14 grade 1 races and only 2-3 you consider meaningful.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720248)

You know how ridiculous this is. I'm not sure why you continue to bring it up.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 720254)

I told you if I owned the horse our schedule would have been the SA Handicap, Dubai WC, HGC, Pacific Classic, JCGC and the BC Classic.

But saying she did not run in many meaningful races is just ludicris because the competition did not show up. I can make the same argument for half of Cigars races then.

Same thing happened with Azeri, so she only ran in 1-2 meaningful races...I just can't by that.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720257)

Again, I know you know how ridiculous your argument is. She didn't run in meaningful races. The competition didn't show up because

A) the males couldn't
B) because dirt horses don't want to run on synth

The competition was there in the Big Cap, Hollywood Gold Cup, Pacific Classic and Goodwood. She didn't show up.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720257)

Again, I know you know how ridiculous your argument is. She didn't run in meaningful races. The competition didn't show up because

A) the males couldn't
B) because dirt horses don't want to run on synth

The competition was there in the Big Cap, Hollywood Gold Cup, Pacific Classic and Goodwood. She didn't show up.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 720266)

You are the first person I have seen that thinks the Big Cap, HGC, Pacific Classic contained good horses........the fact those males are so horrendous is the reason its irritating she did not run in those races. I still don't see how she only ran in 2-3 meaningful races in her ENTIRE career when all she did was run in Grade 1 races, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720272)

I said the races contained good horses? Read much?

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 720273)

So "competition" meant what?

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 720236)

Good luck getting an answer to this.

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 719916)

I don't think there's any evidence to support that. Especially considering the fact that you're dealing with 2yo's without a lot of established form.

The three outliers would be the 5th, 6th and 11th- the 5th, an allowance won by almost 20 but in a rather modest time- resulting in a 73 raw Beyer; the 6th, a very fast maiden won by 8 for an 84 raw Beyer, and the 11th, a slow maiden won with a raw Beyer of 59.

5th: The connections of Blame sent out the winner, who was visually impressive- but the also-rans looked like they wanted a place to lie down. There's a good chance this is a negative key race.

6th: Steve Asmussen sends out a dominating 2yo winner who went off favored in his 2nd start and ran well, then crushes in his 3rd start. I've heard this story before.

11th: The winner went off at 3-1 despite being in the 12 hole and debuting at Presque Isle, 4th beaten 6 lengths. The only other horse to run went off favored, and was dreadful at KEE. Clearly, this was the weakest of the three maiden races at 6F on the day. Not surprising that it was also the slowest race on the day.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 720385)

You might be right. It's hard to say. The filly that won the 2nd race looks like a nice filly and I would have exepcted her final time to be about a second or so faster than the winner of the final race. So that is evidence that does not support my argument.

On the other hand, the 9th race that day (an allowance race that was as strong as a stakes race) went in 1:19. That $40k filly that won the 1st race ran 1:12 3/5 which is almost as fast. Yet I don't think that filly would have finished within 5 lengths if she was in the 9th race. To me that is some evidence that the track was slower later in the day.

So I don't know. There is conflicting evidence.

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 720117)

I think I just got dumber reading that.

Originally Posted by philcski (Post 720801)

There isn't as much difference between a $40k claimer and an N1X for 2yo's; hell, Nina Fever ran the best 2yo non-stake race for winners at KEE this fall in a $30k race. I think the reason for this is most 2yo's with ability get tossed straight into stakes and skip allowance company.

I didn't think a whole lot of that allowance race when I looked at it, to be honest.

Originally Posted by Left Bank (Post 718138)

bullshit! I'll NEVER forget it,and I'll be rubbing it in every Zenyatta fan's face that I can,for as long as I live!

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 719938)

You are simply a faceless troll on the internet. I have a grasp of the sport that you just aren't intellegent enough to understand. Keep making up phony idiocy like "footwork" and other garbage like your flawed charts that no one else cares about. Only about 10% of the people who are involved or follow this sport really have any clue as to what really is happening. You shouldn't be ashamed that you fall into the other 90%. There are some people who are far smarter than you that don't get it either.

You probably should try to get some help before your self-loathing becomes dangerous to others.

Originally Posted by Handicappy (Post 722976)

so you are obviously right because ............. well because you have thought it and therefore you are right. It is sad when someone has to pontificate about how much more of a grasp they have of something than 90% of the others. That kind of self-elevation only means the drop is that much harder. So if we don't agree with you, we are faceless internet trolls who don't get it? Man, you must have alot of yes-men around you to keep that ego going. This blog is getting far to full of just this kind of "let me elevate myself by making someone else look foolish".

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 720242)

ah running in 14 grade 1 races and only 2-3 you consider meaningful.

Why do you follow the sport then, what does that say about the time you are wasting if you think like that?

Originally Posted by Handicappy (Post 722976)

so you are obviously right because ............. well because you have thought it and therefore you are right. It is sad when someone has to pontificate about how much more of a grasp they have of something than 90% of the others. That kind of self-elevation only means the drop is that much harder. So if we don't agree with you, we are faceless internet trolls who don't get it? Man, you must have alot of yes-men around you to keep that ego going. This blog is getting far to full of just this kind of "let me elevate myself by making someone else look foolish".

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 723073)

Don't you know who Cannon SHell is? Of course he has a lot of yes man. Good God.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 723140)

If you are wrong, you are wrong. I don't make idiots like you and TFM write stupid things. But I will point it out when you do. If that is too much for you to deal with then you can check in at some of the other public forums where the ratio is a lot closer to 99%/1%.

Originally Posted by Handicappy (Post 724011)

My goodness. It is worse than I thought. We aren't talking about facts here! Opinions are being expressed. Everyone on this site is prone to mistakes in judgement. Andy S even acknowledges wearing a dunce hat periodically. And I am not the one shooting out names like Idiots/trolls/etc. to those who stand in disagreement with me.

I have respect for your decisions regarding bloodstock and training and know some of the owners you have given advise to. That doesn't make you right! Perhaps you should consider the 99%/1% forum as then you would have more folks giving you unquestioned support without anyone trying to point out or challenge you on your demeanor.