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Danzig 02-03-2007 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
come on up...I'll take you hunting LOL


hey, you're on!

one of these days we'll be up that way, take in belmont and saratoga. won't be this year tho.

Danzig 02-03-2007 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
when they have babies those are some scary birds!!! I had a momma chase around my horses one day because she was out in their field with her little guys that couldn't fly yet to get over the fence...I had to herd her out with the boss's range rover:cool:


there have been quite a few confrontations in the news over the last couple years between turkeys and humans. one lady couldnt get in her car, turkey chased her around it--her friends got quite a kick out of it. but the males have some vicious spurs, they can do some damage.

paisjpq 02-03-2007 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
there have been quite a few confrontations in the news over the last couple years between turkeys and humans. one lady couldnt get in her car, turkey chased her around it--her friends got quite a kick out of it. but the males have some vicious spurs, they can do some damage.

that's why I got the car to get her out of the field...i wan't going near her...and she was scaring the bejeezus out of the horses

Downthestretch55 02-03-2007 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
there have been quite a few confrontations in the news over the last couple years between turkeys and humans. one lady couldnt get in her car, turkey chased her around it--her friends got quite a kick out of it. but the males have some vicious spurs, they can do some damage.

Danzig,
If you ever find your way to the Catskills in May, I'd be more than pleased to call in a gobbler for you.
Hunting starts two hours before sun up and ends at noon...then the fly fishing on the West Branch of the Delaware. Big browns.
Life can indeed be very good.
Toga won't be running yet, but the horses at the farm are nearby, and some will have shipped in to start training at Toga ( about an hour away).
DTS

Danzig 02-03-2007 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Danzig,
If you ever find your way to the Catskills in May, I'd be more than pleased to call in a gobbler for you.
Hunting starts two hours before sun up and ends at noon...then the fly fishing on the West Branch of the Delaware. Big browns.
Life can indeed be very good.
Toga won't be running yet, but the horses at the farm are nearby, and some will have shipped in to start training at Toga ( about an hour away).
DTS

that sounds beautiful. i will let you know when, if, we make it up that way.
already been in touch with playa about arlington, and not going til july!! lol

nothing like planning ahead.

never been fly fishing. that would be a learning experience!

Downthestretch55 02-03-2007 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
that sounds beautiful. i will let you know when, if, we make it up that way.
already been in touch with playa about arlington, and not going til july!! lol

nothing like planning ahead.

never been fly fishing. that would be a learning experience!

Sounds like a plan...I'm not sure of the opening date for Belmont, but if you come in late May, you might find a very good time.
Belmont is about two and half hours away.

Danzig 02-03-2007 04:46 PM

well, a couple of years, the last of my chicks will be out of the nest, so we won't have to schedule around school. not that tony and i are counting the days or anything!:rolleyes:

Downthestretch55 02-03-2007 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
well, a couple of years, the last of my chicks will be out of the nest, so we won't have to schedule around school. not that tony and i are counting the days or anything!:rolleyes:

Well, whenever the time comes.
The door is always open.
File it for later.
May is what we get to savor after going through a cold early Feb.
Not that I'm complaining.
Early June is pretty nice too...the Belmont day...
Do I sound like I have "cabin fever"?
Maybe Genuine Risk will meet up with us when your schedule permits.

ateamstupid 02-03-2007 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
well, i was going to get ticked off...but you said hunting for the sake of hunting, and i don't do that...

you can't buy venison in the store.

what i don't understand is:

if i go to the store, and buy meat someone else killed and eat it-that's ok.
but if i kill it, and then eat it, i'm disgusting and morally corrupt? i guess since someone else did the dirty work?

as for your comparison to opera, theatre etc...i was thinking more along the line of activities that some enjoy, while others don't and make moral judgements about. horse racing and gambling for instance. i can't recall anyone saying oh opera, i hate it--those singers are corrupt. but i have heard those arguments, and similar, regarding racing. oh those poor animals, how cruel. or the line a boy said to my daughter the other day when she mentioned barbaro had died. OH. horse racing. we're GOOD CHRISTIANS, we don't believe in gambling. so, he just pretty much summed her up as being a bad person, because she felt bad about barbaro.

Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

somerfrost 02-04-2007 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

Ateam, I think you got the wrong guy there, we are on the same side here!
I freely admit that I don't understand hunting for sport...I mean, I get that you take your phallic symbol (oops, I mean big gun) and walk through the woods stalking poor innocent and defenseless creatures to blow up in some orgasmic ritual but I don't get it!

Danzig 02-04-2007 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

i didn't miss every point you made. you mentioned sport hunting. then you said just hunting was morally corrupt and disgusting. did you mean sport hunting again, or just hunting? i assumed, since you said 'hunting' and not 'sport hunting' that you had us all lumped in there together. my apologies if i got it wrong.

allaboutauto.us 02-04-2007 12:54 PM

I haven't read this thread (only the original post), so I'm sorry if my post here is no longer really "on topic." I'm responding to the title of the thread:

All I have to say is "and eye for an eye."

somerfrost 02-04-2007 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Champali Chick
I haven't read this thread (only the original post), so I'm sorry if my post here is no longer really "on topic." I'm responding to the title of the thread:

All I have to say is "and eye for an eye."


Who was it that said...all you get for the philosophy of an eye for an eye is lots of blind people?

Danzig 02-04-2007 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Who was it that said...all you get for the philosophy of an eye for an eye is lots of blind people?

gandhi i believe...

Danzig 02-04-2007 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Champali Chick
I haven't read this thread (only the original post), so I'm sorry if my post here is no longer really "on topic." I'm responding to the title of the thread:

All I have to say is "and eye for an eye."

i don't think our system should have punishment that is a criminal act in the guise of justice. that's the whole issue with he should get what he gave. society is supposed to be civilized, doing what the criminal did-albeit to the criminal-would be a similar despicable act, wouldn't it?

somerfrost 02-04-2007 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
i don't think our system should have punishment that is a criminal act in the guise of justice. that's the whole issue with he should get what he gave. society is supposed to be civilized, doing what the criminal did-albeit to the criminal-would be a similar despicable act, wouldn't it?

Yes it would...the ancient concept of "lex talionis" is presented in most religions unfortunately...in Christianity it comes from Exodus 21:23-27, "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"...Mahatma Gandhi (you were right Danzig) said, "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and the world would soon be blind and toothless". Then again, I don't care much for Exodus cause of the deliberate mis-translation of Exodus 22:18 by King James' cronies!

ateamstupid 02-04-2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Ateam, I think you got the wrong guy there, we are on the same side here!
I freely admit that I don't understand hunting for sport...I mean, I get that you take your phallic symbol (oops, I mean big gun) and walk through the woods stalking poor innocent and defenseless creatures to blow up in some orgasmic ritual but I don't get it!

Eh, it was back towards the beginning, I know you're on my side.

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
i didn't miss every point you made. you mentioned sport hunting. then you said just hunting was morally corrupt and disgusting. did you mean sport hunting again, or just hunting? i assumed, since you said 'hunting' and not 'sport hunting' that you had us all lumped in there together. my apologies if i got it wrong.

Yes, I meant sport hunting. I have no problem with hunting for food.

Downthestretch55 02-04-2007 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Eh, it was back towards the beginning, I know you're on my side.



Yes, I meant sport hunting. I have no problem with hunting for food.

Ateam,
I'm ok with what you said about "hunting for food".
It might seem strange to some, but I save feathers from the birds I bring home and use them to tie trout flies. I also use deer hair in some of my bass and salt water patterns.
And, shocking as it may seem, I get on my knees and give thanks over every critter that I take home to eat, before I take it out of the woods or fields.
I also say "grace" before I eat it.
I grew up in a family that hunted and fished, and I've done both all my life.
Those folks that don't have a background in either hunting or fishing see something that, to me, it isn't.
What it is, is real. And it connects me to something that many don't get the opportunity to connect with.
Also, not all hunters or fishermen think as I do, like the kids "hunting" horses in a strip mine.
I don't think that their actions should give the rest of us a "bad name".
DTS


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