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dellinger63 04-19-2015 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1023177)
You mean like bombing abortion clinics or shooting doctors? Looks like radicalized Islam is not so different than radicalized Christianity. Pretty sure the term radical is a dead give away.

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/the_...orism_partner/

I agree with you.

That said, as I pointed out Christians protesting abortion clinics using signs or their votes aren't radical. Just as the Muslim baker who refuses to cook pork isn't radical.

However the ten events pointed out by Salon of radical Christianity and White Supremacy over a period of 28 YEARS pale in comparison to events I could site of radical Islamism occurring over the past 28 MONTHS.

BTW are Muslims/Christians who castrate their women, or kill their women to save honor, or beat their women for driving, or throw gays off roofs, or stone gays in a public square or call for the annihilation of Israel, radical or is it just cultural?

dellinger63 04-19-2015 11:03 AM

FYI Radical Islamist Terror Attacks over the past 28 months

India February 21, 2013 – 2013 Hyderabad blasts, two bomb blasts killed 16 people and injured 119.

United States April 15, 2013 – Boston Marathon bombings. Two brothers, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnev, planted two bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon. The blast killed 3 and injured 183 others.

Turkey May 11, 2013 – Reyhanlı bombings, killed 52 people and wounded 140.
United Kingdom May 22, 2013 – Two men with cleavers kill British soldier Lee Rigby in Woolwich

France May 23, 2013 – 2013 La Défense attack. An Islamic extremist wielding a knife attacked and wounded a French soldier in the Paris suburb of La Défense. 1 wounded.

India July 7, 2013 – A series of ten bombs explode in and around the Mahabodhi Temple complex, in Bodh Gaya, India. 5 wounded.

Kenya September 21, 2013 – Westgate shopping mall attack, 67 killed, 175 wounded

Pakistan September 22, 2013 – Peshawar church attack, 80–83 killed, 250 wounded.

Nigeria September 29, 2013 – Gujba college massacre. 44 students killed by Boko Haram

China October 28, 2013 – A 4x4 vehicle crashed into a crowd and burst into flames in Tiananmen Square in Beijing, 5 killed, 38 wounded.

Czech Republic January 1, 2014 – Killed Palestinian ambassador “held explosive in his hands”. 1 dead terrorist

Nigeria February 14, 2014 – Borno Massacre at least 200 killed by Boko Haram

China March 1, 2014 – A group of 8 individuals attacked civilians at Kunming Railway Station, 28 dead, 143 wounded.

China April 30, 2014 – Two assailants attacked passengers and detonated explosives at the Ürümqi railway station, 3 dead, 79 wounded.

Nigeria May 20, 2014 – Jos bombings at least 118 killed and over 56 injured

China May 22, 2014 – Two SUVs which carried 5 assailants were driven into a street market in Ürümqi and up to a dozen explosives were thrown at shoppers through the windows of the SUVs. The cars then crashed into shoppers and collided into each other and exploded, 39 dead, 90+ wounded.

Belgium May 24, 2014 – Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting. Gunman opened fire at the Jewish Museum in Brussels killing 4 people.

Syria August 2014 – Islamic State fighters massacred some 700 people, mostly men, of the Shu'aytat tribe in Deir ez-Zor Governorate

Australia September 23, 2014 – 2014 Endeavour Hills stabbings. Numan Haider, an Afghan Australian stabbed two counter terrorism officers in Melbourne, Australia. He was then shot dead

Russia October 5, 2014 – 2014 Grozny bombing. 5 officers and the suicide bomber, were killed, while 12 others were wounded

Canada October 20, 2014 – 2014 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu ramming attack. Lone attacker used his car to run over two Canadian soldiers. 1 killed, 1 injured

Canada October 22, 2014 – 2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa. Lone attacker shot a soldier at a war memorial and attacked Parliament. 1 killed, 3 injured

Israel October 22, 2014 – A Hamas terrorist rammed his vehicle into a group of people waiting at a light rail station in Jerusalem. 2 killed 8 wounded

United States October 23, 2014 – Zale H. Thomson, also known as Zaim Farouq Abdul-Malik, attacked four New York policemen in the subway with a hatchet, severely injuring one in the back of the head and injuring another policeman in the arm before being shot to death by the remaining officers, who also shot a bystander.

Israel November 5, 2014 – In the November 2014 Jerusalem vehicular attack a Hamas operative deliberately drove a van at high speed into a crowd of people. 4 killed 13 wounded.

Nigeria November 28, 2014 – Kano bombing. Around 120 people were killed and another 260 injured.

United Arab Emirates December 1, 2014 – A burqa-clad woman stabs a 47-year-old American teacher to death in a mall restroom in Abu Dhabi. She later plants a bomb outside the home of an Egyptian-American doctor, which was safely dismantled

Russia December 4, 2014 – 2014 Grozny clashes. 26 total dead, including 14 policemen, 11 Jihadist from Caucasus Emirate, 1 civilian

Australia December 15, 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis. 2 dead, 4 injured

Pakistan December 16, 2014 – 2014 Peshawar school attack. Over 140 people dead, including at least 132 children

Yemen December 16, 2014 – Two suicide car bombers rammed their vehicles into a Shiite rebels' checkpoint killing 26, including 16 students

Nigeria December 18, 2014 – 2014 Gumsuri kidnappings. Boko Haram insurgents killed 32 men and kidnapped at least 185 women and children

Syria December 18, 2014 – Mass grave of 230 Tribesmen killed by Islamic State found in Eastern Syria

France December 20, 2014 – 2014 Joué-lès-Tours stabbings. A man yelling Allahu Akbar attacked a police office with a knife. He was killed and 3 police officers were injured

France December 21, 2014 – 2014 Dijon attack. A man yelling Allahu Akbar ran over 11 pedestrians with his vehicle. 11 injured

Nigeria December 22, 2014 – Boko Haram insurgents bombed a bus station in the city of Gombe, killing at least twenty people.

Iraq December 2014 – Islamic State militants execute 150 women Iraqi province of Al-Anbar, some of whom were pregnant at the time, who refuse to marry their fighters

Iraq December 24, 2014 – A suicide bomber killed 33 people and wounded 55 others in Madaen, about 25 km (15 miles) south of Baghdad

Somalia December 25, 2014 – Al-Shabaab attack in Mogadishu leaves 9 dead

Cameroon December 28, 2014 – Boko Haram attacks village in Cameroon leaving 30 dead

France January 7–9, 2015 – A series of 5 attacks in and around Paris kill 17 people, plus 3 attackers, and leave 22 other people injured.

Nigeria January 8, 2015 – 2015 Baga massacre. Boko Haram attacks town of Baga in northern Nigeria killing at least 200 people. Another 2000 are unaccounted for

Pakistan January 30, 2015 – Suicide bomber kills at least 55, injuring at least 59 in a Shiite mosque in southern Pakistan

Pakistan February 13, 2015 – Heavily armed militants killed at least 19 people and wounded more than 40 after they stormed into a Shiite mosque during Friday Prayer in a suburb of Peshawar.

Denmark February 14–15, 2015 – 2015 Copenhagen attacks. A gunman opened fire at the Krudttoenden café and later at the Great Synagogue in Copenhagen, killing two civilians and injuring five others

Pakistan March 15, 2015 – Suicide bombers kill at least 15 people in attacks on two churches in Lahore

Tunisia March 18, 2015 – Bardo National Museum attack. Militants linked to Islamic State attack the Bardo National Museum with guns, killing 21 people and injuring around 50

Yemen March 20, 2015 – 2015 Sana'a mosque bombings. 135 killed in bombings on several mosques by Islamic State

Somalia March 27, 2015 - Makka al-Mukarama hotel attack

Kenya April 2, 2015 – 148 killed in Al-Shabaab's Garissa University College attack

Iraq April 17, 2015 – A series of bombings by the Islamic State occured through Baghdad. 40+ killed 59+ injured.

Iraq Kurdistan April 17, 2015 – A car bomb exploded at the entrance of the US consulate in Erbil, Iraq. Islamic State took credit for the attack. 3 killed 5 wounded

Afghanistan April 18, 2015 – A suicide bomb detonated in front of a bank in Jalalabad, Afghanistan. Islamic State claims responsibility. 33 killed 100+ injured

jms62 04-19-2015 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 1023183)
I agree with you.

That said, as I pointed out Christians protesting abortion clinics using signs or their votes aren't radical. Just as the Muslim baker who refuses to cook pork isn't radical.

However the ten events pointed out by Salon of radical Christianity and White Supremacy over a period of 28 YEARS pale in comparison to ten events I could site of radical Islamism occurring over the past 28 MONTHS.

BTW are Muslims/Christians who castrate their women, or kill their women to save honor, or beat their women for driving, or throw gays off roofs, or stone gays in a public square or call for the annihilation of Israel, radical or is it just cultural?

http://www.thegailygrind.com/2014/08...nts-disowning/

So you argument has now morphed into one side is worse than the other? By going there you are implicitly condoning the actions of one side. Be it 1 event or 100 events I despise both.

dellinger63 04-19-2015 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1023187)
http://www.thegailygrind.com/2014/08...nts-disowning/

So you argument has now morphed into one side is worse than the other? By going there you are implicitly condoning the actions of one side. Be it 1 event or 100 events I despise both.

I am condoning no such thing as they are all evil actions. Just pointing out one seems engaged in far more and more recent evil actions than the other.

There was a murder in my town about 25 years ago and there have been 44 murders in Milwaukee so far this year. Should the police focus on my town equally as they do with Milwaukee?

dellinger63 04-19-2015 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1023187)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr7d1sTDNts

Is the crowd watching and doing nothing radical?

somerfrost 04-19-2015 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 1023190)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr7d1sTDNts

Is the crowd watching and doing nothing radical?

Dell, I share your revulsion regarding the crimes against human decency whenever they occur in other countries, in other cultures....I'm sure Danzig and others feel the same. There is so much ugliness, so many horrors in this world of ours. The issue though is that we live in America, and abuses here be they relatively minor when compared to those elsewhere in the world are still affronts to basic fairness and equality. The reality is that as citizens of the U.S. there is little we can do compared to our responsibility to demand change here. I will never shrink from condemning inhuman behavior wherever it occurs, but I feel strongly that we must look to solve our own problems first. Hypocrisy is defined in the dictionary as "a pretending to be what one is not, or to feel what one does not feel; esp., a pretense of virtue, piety etc." It's way to easy to focus on the shortcomings (no matter how vile) of others while using same to ignore our own. Yes, we must always decry the actions of monsters throughout the world but at the same time we must do everything possible to ensure equality here.

Danzig 04-19-2015 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 1023195)
Dell, I share your revulsion regarding the crimes against human decency whenever they occur in other countries, in other cultures....I'm sure Danzig and others feel the same. There is so much ugliness, so many horrors in this world of ours. The issue though is that we live in America, and abuses here be they relatively minor when compared to those elsewhere in the world are still affronts to basic fairness and equality. The reality is that as citizens of the U.S. there is little we can do compared to our responsibility to demand change here. I will never shrink from condemning inhuman behavior wherever it occurs, but I feel strongly that we must look to solve our own problems first. Hypocrisy is defined in the dictionary as "a pretending to be what one is not, or to feel what one does not feel; esp., a pretense of virtue, piety etc." It's way to easy to focus on the shortcomings (no matter how vile) of others while using same to ignore our own. Yes, we must always decry the actions of monsters throughout the world but at the same time we must do everything possible to ensure equality here.

:tro:

OldDog 04-21-2015 09:02 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...time-katherine

Bahahaha!

Henceforth I wish to be addressed as Mi Amore OldDog The Enormous.

Or simply " :{>: "

dellinger63 04-21-2015 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1023451)
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...time-katherine

Bahahaha!

Henceforth I wish to be addressed as Mi Amore OldDog The Enormous.

Or simply " :{>: "

Except Dog is MAN's best friend and hence sexist.

And why is Fresh-MAN offensive and fe-MALE and wo-MAN not?

How in the world did the 'greatest generation' live with themselves much more accomplish all that they did?

Going forward lets refer to everyone and everything by the same name,
f-u-c-k-e-d-u-p!!!

Danzig 04-21-2015 10:59 AM

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/michele-b...g-thanks-obama

jms62 04-21-2015 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1023451)
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...time-katherine

Bahahaha!

Henceforth I wish to be addressed as Mi Amore OldDog The Enormous.

Or simply " :{>: "

As ****ed up as things are I am beginning to think it is better being an OldDog than a Puppy. :(

dellinger63 04-21-2015 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1023456)
As ****ed up as things are I am beginning to think it is better being an OldDog than a Puppy. :(

Quote:

puppy

Gay slang, a boy (gay or straight) who is too young to have sex (because it's not legal, he's under 18).

Steve's a puppy, you can't **** him because he's jail-bait.
:eek:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...y&defid=938709

somerfrost 04-21-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1023455)

This woman is wacked, pure and simple! We laugh at some weirdo who proclaims that a spaceship is coming to rescue "true believers" prior to the end of the world, shake our heads when some insane narcissist commands his followers to drink poisoned Kool-ade but so called "Christians" take this flake seriously?! She might get some votes from Westboro Baptist but otherwise, she should be out of politics. We will always have a large population of squirrels in this country because we are teeming with nuts! :zz:

Danzig 04-21-2015 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 1023459)
This woman is wacked, pure and simple! We laugh at some weirdo who proclaims that a spaceship is coming to rescue "true believers" prior to the end of the world, shake our heads when some insane narcissist commands his followers to drink poisoned Kool-ade but so called "Christians" take this flake seriously?! She might get some votes from Westboro Baptist but otherwise, she should be out of politics. We will always have a large population of squirrels in this country because we are teeming with nuts! :zz:

'obediance brings about his blessings'
whatever
as a poster i saw the other day said, the people who wrote the bible didn't know where the sun went at night, but we are supposed to believe and follow all that they wrote?

somerfrost 04-21-2015 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1023460)
'obediance brings about his blessings'
whatever
as a poster i saw the other day said, the people who wrote the bible didn't know where the sun went at night, but we are supposed to believe and follow all that they wrote?

I have no argument with any of the world's "major" religions, especially those believing in a supreme being (witchcraft holds that all are paths to the divine). The problem is not in the belief system but in the blind acceptance of individual quotations often times themselves products of ignorance and superstition at the expense of the basic message. We don't stone folks to death in this country and decry other cultures for still doing so even though the bible can be read as commanding such action. Yet folks steadfastly hold to ancient beliefs of "morality" when it avoids acceptance of those different from self. Professionally I have dealt with many folks who exchanged an addiction to drugs or alcohol or sex for what can only be termed an addiction to fundamentalist religion. For them, they have merely exchanged one crutch for another and they are not alone. My point is that religion can be the cornerstone of one's life but it cannot be one's master demanding blind obedience at the expense of free will and thought.

Danzig 04-21-2015 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 1023463)
I have no argument with any of the world's "major" religions, especially those believing in a supreme being (witchcraft holds that all are paths to the divine). The problem is not in the belief system but in the blind acceptance of individual quotations often times themselves products of ignorance and superstition at the expense of the basic message. We don't stone folks to death in this country and decry other cultures for still doing so even though the bible can be read as commanding such action. Yet folks steadfastly hold to ancient beliefs of "morality" when it avoids acceptance of those different from self. Professionally I have dealt with many folks who exchanged an addiction to drugs or alcohol or sex for what can only be termed an addiction to fundamentalist religion. For them, they have merely exchanged one crutch for another and they are not alone. My point is that religion can be the cornerstone of one's life but it cannot be one's master demanding blind obedience at the expense of free will and thought.

:tro: again.
my cousin is one of those.
i like some of the messages in the bible, especially the ones about not throwing stones, not judging.
but, others think they're perfectly suited to doing just that. they also tend to ignore the part about 'whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers...'
too often people use religion as a tool to bludgeon others with. they use it to excuse violence, oppression, they use old teachings to deny people (typically these days women, back in the day it was the slaves here in this country) any education. centuries ago it was in europe, in the 1800's it was here, and currently it's mainly seen in islamic countries. hell, the phillipines, with rampant poverty and huge families, just recently legalized birth control-which the RCC fought tooth and nail.
it makes no sense to me.

Danzig 04-22-2015 08:51 AM

http://www.slate.com/articles/health...oards_and.html

'theories'

obviously the ouachita school superintendent doesn't know what that word means.

dellinger63 04-22-2015 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1023524)
http://www.slate.com/articles/health...oards_and.html

'theories'

obviously the ouachita school superintendent doesn't know what that word means.

Nor do you.

Theory
def.
A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something.

Supposition
synonyms: belief, surmise, idea, notion, suspicion, conjecture, speculation, inference, theory, hypothesis, postulation, guess, feeling, hunch, assumption, presumption .

dellinger63 04-22-2015 09:35 AM

Here's one from Slate that makes the facepalm list.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ast_lives.html

somerfrost 04-22-2015 10:02 AM

Not getting into semantics, the issue when this debate comes up is what is appropriate to teach in a science class and what is an invasion of religious doctrine into academia. I have no problem if a school wants to offer a class teaching the theory of creationism but I do have a huge problem when evolution is discarded in a science class in favor of a religious belief which by definition is not subject to scientific scrutiny. If one believes that the Christian god created all including mankind that's one's right but it is a religious BELIEF not science.


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