I think when you include the rest of his quote, you know, "He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks" NO!

Wonder why you left the rest of the quote out when you seem like such a stickler for taking things out of context. Simple mistake ;)

:zz: I left the quote out because it is here in it's entirety in this thread, and I figured you'd know what I am referring to. Then let's do the whole quote:

"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."

Yeah, I think that's definitely over the top, recommending shooting your opponent. Completely out of place, uncalled for, appalling.

"Oh, but I didn't mean it literally!"

Florida did elect someone whose company indeed stole millions of dollars from the US, and had to give it back with fines. Unbelievable. I personally do think he's a healthcare crook. But the best choice out of what was offered. But still that is no reason for a public call for assassination.

You think that is okay to say that? Seriously?

He never took his gun out and didn't because he was afraid of being identified as the gunman and you want to know if he would have gone outside unarmed? What do you think he did? Rely on his holstered gun for a good luck charm? Or for courage a la the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz? Does he get more credit unarmed? Or less if he drew? What an odd question. IMO. America is great because of guys like this.

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Arizona has the best gun laws out there (tho very unfortunate that this happened on Saturday). Its too bad an armed grocery store customer wasnt able to take the lunatic out before he shot so many people.

Yeah, Dell, I exactly wonder if he would have gone towards gunshots, if he did not have a loaded gun in his pocket.

That question has nothing at all to do if the gun was visible (drawn) or not. That doesn't matter.

I know that personally I'd feel much more comfortable going after a psycho murderer if I was locked and loaded.

But the initial guys who took down the psycho were not armed I believe.. I think one of them had a bullet graze his head too.

A GOP Republican is going to submit legislation to make it illegal to carry a gun within 1000 feet of any member of Congress. I don't see the point, myself.

What about changing ammunition laws back to what they used to be, so you don't get to get off 30 shots in seconds?

Or maybe having to fill out a permit to carry? It's easier to buy that gun and ammunition than it is to get Sudafed OTC in AZ.

Of course I do. It may be wrong or asinine but I think it still passes as speech. Then the voters of FL spoke their way.

that race was like trying to decide between Bush and John Kerry.. i think I wrote in a fake candidate or voted for an independent.

I assume you think it's okay because normal people would assume he didn't mean it literally.

But what if he started calling for the guy to be shot at every political stop? What if he repeated that exact paragraph, calmly smiling, shaking hands, at every campaign stop, as a talking point?

I guess we'll have to go with the facts. He did go towards gunshots with a gun in his pocket and not in his hand. Call me crazy but even if he had drawn and went towards the gunshots he's a hero in my mind.

To you it somehow matters and that seems even more odd to me now.

What does it really matter what provoked this guy anyway? There was plenty of "vitriolic rhetoric" from both sides going on in the past election cycle, mostly in their ads against each other. What if he never heard any of it out in his own world somewhere. That's how politics have been in America since the start. I would be just as inclined to believe, if not even more so, that he was incited by too many hours sitting quietly by himself playing violent shoot-em-up video games. He probably watched too many of the blood and guts movies that come screaming out of Hollywood desensitizing himself to violence. He then washed it all down with drugs, alcohol, and a steady dose of Gangsta Rap ( full credit and a big fat thank you from Tipper Gore for the last one). New legislation to ban high capacity magazines promised yesterday by Frank Lautenberg Democrat from N.J. and a longtime anti-gun voter.

The majority of your input in this thread deals with what the Sheriff did or didn't state you want to now magically transform and deal with a hypothetical?

You don’t find that the least bit hypocritical?

He didn't and I think if he did he'd have about six supporters so the campaign in its entirety would stop. America works if you allow her!

Wow Al Sharpton actually said that? Jesse Jackson said what he said? I guess those individuals miss being in the limelight again or are bored. At least Jackson said something that was funny.

Wow, I'm glad I'm not dead too! Ten pages and counting of the "blame game", useless babble! Hear that the Congresswoman is breathing on her own today, good sign but recovery is a long road, I pray she recovers fully and leads a normal life.

They are. Just not in N.Y. and that didn't stop the insane creep that shot up the civic building in Binghamton almost 2 years ago. 14 dead. Not political. Just insane. If you think your Govt. can protect you from crazy people and random acts of violence by passing laws you are very wrong. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Everyone should be armed. The good people still outnumber the bad by a large margin.

Nothing like babbling uselessly about useless babble. Congrats!

[quote=dellinger63;741743]I guess we'll have to go with the facts. He did go towards gunshots with a gun in his pocket and not in his hand. Call me crazy but even if he had drawn and went towards the gunshots he's a hero in my mind.

To you it somehow matters and that seems even more odd to me now.[/QUOTE

Sigh. My head hurts.

It makes no difference to me in thinking he is a hero or not. Whether his gun was drawn or not makes no difference to me either (and he gets credit for being smart enough not to pull it out and display it)

I simply was wondering if he didn't have a gun at all on his person, would he still have gone towards shots?

Sigh. No, Dell, I do not. You see, one conversation was about, "Did the Sheriff really say those words, or not"?

Now, I was trying to start a nice - but different - conversation with you about what different people view as violent (or not) rhetoric in the political context.

I have no idea how you think changing a subject is hypocritical. I give up. I will quote you at your finest:

I'm not ready to get rid of laws that say robbery and murder are punishable offenses, thanks. I do suspect there is a bit of a deterrent factor there.