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Thunder Gulch 10-20-2010 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 708901)
Total for the year 10

In the Santa Margarita- 3

Made For Magic wasn't a graded winner before she faced Zenyatta, but has since won the grade 2 Milady at Hollywood
Pretty Unusual won the grade 2 El Encino in Jan '10
Striking Dancer won the grade 2 La Canada in Feb '10

In the Apple Blossom- 3

War Echo won the grade 3 Silverbulletday in Feb '09
Just Jenda was a multiple graded stake winner last year and this year
Be Fair won the off the turf grade 3 Lake George in Aug '09

In the Vanity- 2

Zardana won the grade 2 Bayakoa in Dec '09
St Trinians won grade 2 Santa Maria Feb '10

In the Clement Hirsch- 1 (sort of) Made For Magic was in the race

In the Zenyatta Stakes- 2

Switch won the grade 2 Hollywood Oaks June '10
Satans Quick Chick won grade 2 Raven Run October '09
When you show it like this, the schedule becomes even more deplorable.

CSC 10-20-2010 02:22 PM
Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?

Dahoss 10-20-2010 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 709116)
Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?
What gambler would offer 10-1 on a horse that will be the prohibitive favorite?

CSC 10-20-2010 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 709121)
What gambler would offer 10-1 on a horse that will be the prohibitive favorite?
Well, I wouldn't because I think there's a real possibilty she can win, but others may be dead set against her. Or it certainly sounds like it from reading the posts here of late.

robfla 10-20-2010 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 709116)
Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?
Reading some of the comments here, I'll offer 3:2 odds to anyone that thinks she will win. Sounds a lot fairer than your offer.

Indian Charlie 10-20-2010 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC1985 (Post 709116)
Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?
Will you offer 10/1 that she doesn't run?

Cannon Shell 10-20-2010 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader (Post 708916)
Zenyatta has added about a million to her earnings thus far this year.

If the opportunity is there to pick up "an easy" million, and still be prepping for The Classic, I'd offer the connections might be wise.
I dont buy the idea that she has won easily in every race this year. And they may have made $2 million if they had been a little more adventerous. I also dont buy that you need the entire year to prep for one race.

Cannon Shell 10-20-2010 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 708903)
my point exactly. I am knocking your beloved sport and you don't even realize it.

9 straight grade 1 races and never faced a good horse....how does that happen?
What are you jabbering about?

Cannon Shell 10-20-2010 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CSC (Post 709116)
Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?
You are missing the point.

chucklestheclown 10-20-2010 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader (Post 708922)
True enough, but racing history clocks comparison earnings like baseball fans track lifetime stats.


I think 20-0 and retiring as a 6 year old mare beating the best young boys in The Classic has been the goal for all of 2010.
It might have been the goal, but the "stats geeks" might like to see how often 3yos win in Grade 1s against older in the fall. For Zenyatta to beat Lucky or Blame won't prove that much to me. And as I have never been a QR fan that won't mean that much to me either, but I think he wins anyway.

declansharbor 10-20-2010 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 709133)
Will you offer 10/1 that she doesn't run?
PM me if he/she won't offer.

Dahoss 10-20-2010 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 709125)
Well, I wouldn't because I think there's a real possibilty she can win, but others may be dead set against her. Or it certainly sounds like it from reading the posts here of late.
You think there's a real possibilty she can win? You don't say...

Big difference between not thinking a horse will win and offering 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite. I would think this should be obvious.

Smooth Operator 10-20-2010 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown (Post 709141)
It might have been the goal, but the "stats geeks" might like to see how often 3yos win in Grade 1s against older in the fall. For Zenyatta to beat Lucky or Blame won't prove that much to me. And as I have never been a QR fan that won't mean that much to me either, but I think he wins anyway.

:rolleyes:


Will be HUGE if she can beat G1 males which are two and three years younger.

ateamstupid 10-20-2010 03:06 PM
Holy crap the hyperbole is going to be so unbearable if she wins the BCC.

10 pnt move up 10-20-2010 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 709136)
What are you jabbering about?
answer the question........how do you run in 9 straight grade 1 races and not face a good horse.....that was what you said, that just because they are grade 1 races does not mean they were good horses.

I am not saying I disagree, I am saying its a reason the BC draws a 0.2 share on ESPN.

Indian Charlie 10-20-2010 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 709147)
Holy crap the hyperbole is going to be so unbearable if she wins the BCC.
Don't worry about that.

Cannon Shell 10-20-2010 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 709148)
answer the question........how do you run in 9 straight grade 1 races and not face a good horse.....that was what you said, that just because they are grade 1 races does not mean they were good horses.

I am not saying I disagree, I am saying its a reason the BC draws a 0.2 share on ESPN.
Answer the question? Ok. See Zenyatta's schedule.

Smooth Operator 10-20-2010 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 709147)
Holy crap the hyperbole is going to be so unbearable if she wins the BCC.

:tro:

CSC 10-20-2010 03:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 709143)
You think there's a real possibilty she can win? You don't say...

Big difference between not thinking a horse will win and offering 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite. I would think this should be obvious.
She could run her best race and still finish second, Blame or Quality Road could both run career highs? Lookin at Lucky is an improving 3 yr old and could be deemed as extremely dangerous, and finally those that believe Zenyatta has beaten nothing in her career, as you have pointed out many times here would entertain the thought atleast.

CSC 10-20-2010 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 709139)
You are missing the point.
Cannon, I got it. I think some here do reluctantly respect her, however I was touching on the one's that don't.


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