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Cannon Shell 05-17-2009 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
True.
Houston has some very fast PGs.
Denver does not
have this speed.
And truthfully I had no idea Artest could
hold it together this well. Especially after the
Kobe elbow. I thought his mind would explode.

Artest has really surprised me with his ability to
stay somewhat focused. I really judged Artest incorrectly.
He has sort of grown up in my eyes.

The power of antidepressants!

pgardn 05-17-2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
James can guard all 5 positions on the court, Jordan and Kobe certainly couldnt. Since James decided that defense was important and Kobe didnt the comparisons between the two became academic since James is a better passer and rebounder than Kobe. By the way the Kobe/Spike Lee piece of pr trash last night could have been very good had they not told Kobe which game they were going to film so he could have shown the real side of himself instead of that phony bs persona that he is just one of the guys...

Lebron seems like a joyous leader. He revels in
the success of others on his team. No real chip
on the shoulder. Kobe seems to be more like Jordan.
He will beat his teammates down.

I wonder which approach works best.

Lebron would have a tough time against the good power forwards
or posts. He could play them, but he would get into foul trouble
and I think the pushing would wear on his legs which is obviously
why they would never play him there consistently.

On the offensive end, he can play any position just like Magic.
Although I will take Magic at point. Lebron not having to handle
the ball as much is a big burden off him. Kobe just does not have
that luxury. If the Laker sdont get the finals I expect Kobe will
whine about teammates again. Maybe he can go to the Knicks.
NY would like it. And so would I.

Cannon Shell 05-17-2009 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Lebron seems like a joyous leader. He revels in
the success of others on his team. No real chip
on the shoulder. Kobe seems to be more like Jordan.
He will beat his teammates down.

I wonder which approach works best.

Lebron would have a tough time against the good power forwards
or posts. He could play them, but he would get into foul trouble
and I think the pushing would wear on his legs which is obviously
why they would never play him there consistently.

On the offensive end, he can play any position just like Magic.
Although I will take Magic at point. Lebron not having to handle
the ball as much is a big burden off him. Kobe just does not have
that luxury. If the Laker sdont get the finals I expect Kobe will
whine about teammates again. Maybe he can go to the Knicks.
NY would like it. And so would I.

Really good power forwards like...?

pgardn 05-17-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Really good power forwards like...?

Tim Duncan.

dalakhani 05-17-2009 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
James can guard all 5 positions on the court, Jordan and Kobe certainly couldnt. Since James decided that defense was important and Kobe didnt the comparisons between the two became academic since James is a better passer and rebounder than Kobe. By the way the Kobe/Spike Lee piece of pr trash last night could have been very good had they not told Kobe which game they were going to film so he could have shown the real side of himself instead of that phony bs persona that he is just one of the guys...

you watch a different game than i watch because there is no way in God's green earth Lebron can cover a decent NBA point guard or even the quicker two guards. He can't cover legit NBA centers. You undermine your point when you make statements that are so far from reality.

I love Lebron and I have pretty much thrown up the white flag when it comes to who is a better player between him and kobe. I like watching kobe a lot more but Lebron is better. But a better man to man defender? And can cover 5 positions? You have to get real.

pgardn 05-17-2009 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
you watch a different game than i watch because there is no way in God's green earth Lebron can cover a decent NBA point guard or even the quicker two guards. He can't cover legit NBA centers. You undermine your point when you make statements that are so far from reality.

I love Lebron and I have pretty much thrown up the white flag when it comes to who is a better player between him and kobe. I like watching kobe a lot more but Lebron is better. But a better man to man defender? And can cover 5 positions? You have to get real.

I think he could cover some PGuards for one main reason:
He might get beat to the basket, but he can block them
so easy from behind he could get away with forcing them to the basket.
Obviously this would wear him down just like covering a big guy leaning
on his legs, so it is clearly not desirable. Just like it would not be desirable
for the Lakers to have Kobe covering Tony Parker the whole game,
just in spots.

dalakhani 05-17-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I think he could cover some PGuards for one main reason:
He might get beat to the basket, but he can block them
so easy from behind he could get away with forcing them to the basket.
Obviously this would wear him down just like covering a big guy leaning
on his legs, so it is clearly not desirable. Just like it would not be desirable
for the Lakers to have Kobe covering Tony Parker the whole game,
just in spots.

Okay, he can cover extremely slow NBA point guards...once in a while. He can cover derek fisher or jason kidd who are both ancient. Can he cover derek rose? devin harris? Gilbert Arenas? Tony Parker? Chauncey Billups? These arent even the best.

Lebron is 6 8 250. He doesnt have nearly enough lateral mobility to cover an NBA point guard. He doesnt have enough lateral mobility to cover the quicker NBA two guards. He doesnt have the size to cover Legit NBA centers.

This is such an incredibly dumb argument i cant believe i am entertaining it.

pgardn 05-17-2009 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Okay, he can cover extremely slow NBA point guards...once in a while. He can cover derek fisher or jason kidd who are both ancient. Can he cover derek rose? devin harris? Gilbert Arenas? Tony Parker? Chauncey Billups? These arent even the best.

Lebron is 6 8 250. He doesnt have nearly enough lateral mobility to cover an NBA point guard. He doesnt have enough lateral mobility to cover the quicker NBA two guards. He doesnt have the size to cover Legit NBA centers.

This is such an incredibly dumb argument i cant believe i am entertaining it.

I think the original intention was to pick one guy who would be the best
at covering all positions defensively. I dont think the original intention
was to say he would be good at it.

If you can think of another guy that could do better at covering
any position, put the name out. This is how I took the original
argument anyway.

Its all in good fun.
I think.

dalakhani 05-17-2009 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I think the original intention was to pick one guy who would be the best
at covering all positions defensively. I dont think the original intention
was to say he would be good at it.

If you can think of another guy that could do better at covering
any position, put the name out. This is how I took the original
argument anyway.

Its all in good fun.
I think.

It is. I knew that would come out wrong.

Lebron, as great as he is, cant cover five positions. He can cover 2 well and beyond that it comes down to situation.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-17-2009 09:46 PM

Congrats to the Magic. Big growth in da balls. Next dog will be called Pietrus or Glu. Barkley got it right, and I got it wrong. Magic actually made some shots. Turk finally woke up.

Coach Pants 05-17-2009 10:11 PM

Poor Kevin.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-17-2009 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Poor Kevin.

LOL..Weird night. Magic wins a game 7, and now fkn quake shaking me. Only 5.0, but shook me pretty good. I must be pretty close.

SCUDSBROTHER 05-17-2009 10:54 PM

Yea, centered in Hawthorne..(like just south of HWD PARK.) 5.0 feels like 6 if ya close to it.

Cannon Shell 05-17-2009 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
you watch a different game than i watch because there is no way in God's green earth Lebron can cover a decent NBA point guard or even the quicker two guards. He can't cover legit NBA centers. You undermine your point when you make statements that are so far from reality.

I love Lebron and I have pretty much thrown up the white flag when it comes to who is a better player between him and kobe. I like watching kobe a lot more but Lebron is better. But a better man to man defender? And can cover 5 positions? You have to get real.

Exactly what current Center in the NBA couldnt he guard? Apparently you dont watch many games because he can and does certainly cover guards.

Cannon Shell 05-17-2009 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Okay, he can cover extremely slow NBA point guards...once in a while. He can cover derek fisher or jason kidd who are both ancient. Can he cover derek rose? devin harris? Gilbert Arenas? Tony Parker? Chauncey Billups? These arent even the best.

Lebron is 6 8 250. He doesnt have nearly enough lateral mobility to cover an NBA point guard. He doesnt have enough lateral mobility to cover the quicker NBA two guards. He doesnt have the size to cover Legit NBA centers.

This is such an incredibly dumb argument i cant believe i am entertaining it.

He doesnt have the size to cover centers? With the possible exception of Yao who exactly would he be overmatched with size wise? He absolutely could cover those guards. And he is closer to 280. Watch the games...

Coach Pants 05-17-2009 11:22 PM

I enjoyed the smack talk between Ewing and Rivers. Rivers got knocked down a few notches by disrespecting his former teammate. Doc really should've said no comment instead of being a hater and trying to downplay Ewing's career as a player by pointing out his failures. I mean if Ewing was bad as a player what does that make Rivers? Kurt Rambis with downs?

docicu3 05-17-2009 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Exactly what current Center in the NBA couldnt he guard? Apparently you dont watch many games because he can and does certainly cover guards.


Kareem might be tough for Lebron to hang with.....The Celts were spared a public flogging if they had gone on.....Clev may sweep Orlando.

dalakhani 05-18-2009 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Exactly what current Center in the NBA couldnt he guard? Apparently you dont watch many games because he can and does certainly cover guards.

Yes...on a switch. He isnt lining up against point guards or quicker shooting guards. If it is a big two guard...maybe. You just went on a tirade about the great delonte west and his defensive prowess and now Cleveland is taking their best player who is 6 8 and having him chase the Tony Parkers of the world. Does that mean Mo Williams gets to cover the other team's 3? LOL. This is folly.

As for centers, again, you are being ridiculous. If you use Lebron to cover a center, who does your center cover. But beyond that, you are telling me 6 8 250 lb Lebron James is going to be able to stop even a very average center like Haywood who is 7 1 300. Or even Shaq at 7 1 330 at 37 yrs old? Bynum? In a case where cleveland goes small and the other team has a center like mehmet okur, then yes i could see lebron covering.

Guys get mismatched all of the time in a switch and hold their own. This is basketball. But no way Lebron lasts in the post against a 7 foot 300 lb center. Thats almost as funny as him chasing around Gilbert Arenas.

Cannon Shell 05-18-2009 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Yes...on a switch. He isnt lining up against point guards or quicker shooting guards. If it is a big two guard...maybe. You just went on a tirade about the great delonte west and his defensive prowess and now Cleveland is taking their best player who is 6 8 and having him chase the Tony Parkers of the world. Does that mean Mo Williams gets to cover the other team's 3? LOL. This is folly.

As for centers, again, you are being ridiculous. If you use Lebron to cover a center, who does your center cover. But beyond that, you are telling me 6 8 250 lb Lebron James is going to be able to stop even a very average center like Haywood who is 7 1 300. Or even Shaq at 7 1 330 at 37 yrs old? Bynum? In a case where cleveland goes small and the other team has a center like mehmet okur, then yes i could see lebron covering.

Guys get mismatched all of the time in a switch and hold their own. This is basketball. But no way Lebron lasts in the post against a 7 foot 300 lb center. Thats almost as funny as him chasing around Gilbert Arenas.

You have totally twisted the entire point. We aren't saying that Cleveland is going to do it or fits with their plans. If you had watched the olympics Lebron often covered guards since many of the teams went with three guard offenses. That isnt saying that he is going to cover them all the time but he certainly has the ability to do it. As for your ludicrous assertion that he isnt big or strong enough to cover centers I guess you just dont watch much NBA. I suppose the 6'9" Bill Russell couldnt guard 7'1" Wilt either. Or Ben Wallace wasnt the NBA defensive player of the year at center 4 times while 6'9" and weighing less than Lebron? I ask again, do you really watch the games? There is a good chance that after Shaq, Lebron is the strongest player in the league .

dalakhani 05-18-2009 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You have totally twisted the entire point. We aren't saying that Cleveland is going to do it or fits with their plans. If you had watched the olympics Lebron often covered guards since many of the teams went with three guard offenses. That isnt saying that he is going to cover them all the time but he certainly has the ability to do it. As for your ludicrous assertion that he isnt big or strong enough to cover centers I guess you just dont watch much NBA. I suppose the 6'9" Bill Russell couldnt guard 7'1" Wilt either. Or Ben Wallace wasnt the NBA defensive player of the year at center 4 times while 6'9" and weighing less than Lebron? I ask again, do you really watch the games? There is a good chance that after Shaq, Lebron is the strongest player in the league .

You are actually using Olympic basketball as an example? LOL. Okay, Lebron can cover a euro swingman in the olympics and that means he can cover Dwayne Wade. And you say i am being ludicrous. And i dont watch much NBA?

Ben Wallace was every bit of 6 9 and had freakish upper body strength and athleticism. Besides, Ben wouldnt guard the bigger centers most of the time...that job went to rasheed. Perhaps you should have watched the games back then. They were interesting.:)


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