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mclem0822 11-05-2008 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Agreed. McCain is a good man, whether you supported him or not, and he just showed it in a very big way.
First, I was not a supporter of this ticket. However, Andy I agree McCain is a good man, a war hero, a fine public servant. This speech was the real John McCain. In my opinion, he got terrible advice in the choices in personell, and tactics he used in this campaign. Karl Rove's old cronies along with the choice of Sarah Palin, kept this from being a closer race. I still have alot of respect for John McCain, it was a great speech, from a true patriot.

Riot 11-05-2008 08:05 PM
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Billionaires are isolated from policies that effect businesses and hence they sometimes have extreme views from the guilt they feel from their own fortune.
Who confided this to you, Donald The Trump? :) I would guess the average billionaire would be quite able to lobby to form that policy (see GOP, 2000-2008)

Yes, I absolutely grant the average billionaire would be, I suspect, rather isolated from the financial storms average folks have to weather daily (in BERK- B shares I trust)

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Unlike some I refuse to believe the most liberal member of Congress is suddenly going to move to the center especially with majorities in the House and Senate. Because he IS smart I may be correct in guessing that he has outsmarted many that believe the hype. "Redistribute the wealth" is not a term that he has backdown from or is afraid to say. That one line in itself should say it all about where we are headed
I do not like that line either. However, there is no money for campaign promises. There is financial chaos and government debt. Promises are one thing, reality another. I'll wait and see where we end up.

pgardn 11-05-2008 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot
I do not like that line either. However, there is no money for campaign promises. There is financial chaos and government debt. Promises are one thing, reality another. I'll wait and see where we end up.
Obama is not stupid.
There is no way health care, heavy taxes, and many
other things that might be possible in a healthy economy
will come to fruition in the form first dreamed about.

Reality is one thing this guy gets. And he has shown
a history of being a guy who sits back and listens, and
then makes diplomatic realistic decisions. But it still is unclear
how much can actually be accomplished with so many mistakes
to clean up.

Cannon Shell 11-05-2008 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot
Who confided this to you, Donald The Trump? :) I would guess the average billionaire would be quite able to lobby to form that policy (see GOP, 2000-2008)

Yes, I absolutely grant the average billionaire would be, I suspect, rather isolated from the financial storms average folks have to weather daily (in BERK- B shares I trust)



I do not like that line either. However, there is no money for campaign promises. There is financial chaos and government debt. Promises are one thing, reality another. I'll wait and see where we end up.
Actually I was listening to a very wealthy man talk about it sometime ago and have never forgot it.

Do you really think that the influence of the mega rich started in 2000?

So you voted for a guy who made promises that are in your view are unlikely to actually happen?

dalakhani 11-05-2008 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Compared to the last 2 elections it wasnt that close but it was hardly a runaway from an electoral standpoint. In 1988 GH Bush won the EC vote 411 to 111, in 1984 Reagan won the EC vote 525 to 13, in 1980 he won 489 to 49, in 1972 Nixon won 520 to 17, in 1964 Johnson won 486 to 52. Those are epic stompings. How do you expect us to educate Scavs on elections and the political system if you keep giving him hyperbole instead of truth?
All true. But tell me when a candidate from the same party as the sitting president lost this bad? I dont think its happened.

For a race that was supposed to be close, this was indeed emphatic.

Riot 11-05-2008 10:15 PM
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Do you really think that the influence of the mega rich started in 2000?
Not, not at all. Why?

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So you voted for a guy who made promises that are in your view are unlikely to actually happen?
I voted for the guy I thought had exceptional intelligence and thoughtfulness, and will be most able to deal with the various disasters we are going through and yet may occur in the next four years. This guy has ice water in his veins when needed.

Cannon Shell 11-06-2008 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot
Not, not at all. Why?



I voted for the guy I thought had exceptional intelligence and thoughtfulness, and will be most able to deal with the various disasters we are going through and yet may occur in the next four years. This guy has ice water in his veins when needed.
(GOP 2000-2008)

When has he needed ice water in his veins? Did he play in the World Series of Poker or something we dont know about?

dalakhani 11-06-2008 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Actually I was listening to a very wealthy man talk about it sometime ago and have never forgot it.

Do you really think that the influence of the mega rich started in 2000?

So you voted for a guy who made promises that are in your view are unlikely to actually happen?
LOL...

Oh Chuck...did you ever rely on campaign promises from ANY politician? Read my lips...

pgardn 11-06-2008 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
(GOP 2000-2008)

When has he needed ice water in his veins? Did he play in the World Series of Poker or something we dont know about?
He beat a Clinton.
How many Republicans have beaten a Clinton?

Cannon Shell 11-06-2008 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani
LOL...

Oh Chuck...did you ever rely on campaign promises from ANY politician? Read my lips...
Damon Thayer!!! He lives up to his promises! the rest suck

Cannon Shell 11-06-2008 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
He beat a Clinton.
How many Republicans have beaten a Clinton?
You need ice water for that? i just thought you drifted lefter and lefter

pgardn 11-06-2008 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You need ice water for that? i just thought you drifted lefter and lefter
So what do you need icewater for, besides
Morton knawing on one's ankles?

Beating Hillary Clinton head on in the Democratic
party takes... large cahones?

timmgirvan 11-06-2008 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
(GOP 2000-2008)

When has he needed ice water in his veins? Did he play in the World Series of Poker or something we dont know about?
...ice water, yeah, that's why he needs a teleprompter!

Riot 11-06-2008 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Damon Thayer!!! He lives up to his promises! the rest suck
I even voted for Thayer.

Riot 11-06-2008 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
...ice water, yeah, that's why he needs a teleprompter!
LOL - is that supposed to be some kind of insult? They all use teleprompters frequently, even on the road at rallies :D

timmgirvan 11-06-2008 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot
LOL - is that supposed to be some kind of insult? They all use teleprompters frequently, even on the road at rallies :D
I don't beieve he's the cool commander that he's hyped to be, that's all.


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