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SCUDSBROTHER 09-08-2008 06:37 PM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18639725@N07/2840644819/

Now, since it's like recess/intermission....My new painting...Steeplechase.

dalakhani 09-08-2008 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18639725@N07/2840644819/

Now, since it's like recess/intermission....My new painting...Steeplechase.

Thats wonderful!

SCUDSBROTHER 09-08-2008 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Thats wonderful!

Thanks, I didn't mean I did it. That was OBAMA of me. I bought it. It's about 50 years old. That's my favorite period for art. That's probably why I love Dodger Stadium so much(was designed about the same time.) This is the last piece I get to buy by someone who isn't a big name. Was thinking about painting the outer orange areas black or a charcoal grey(maybe even maroon.) I think I will just think about it though. The person who did it probably put more thought into it than I ever will. Probably let it be.

GPK 09-08-2008 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
That makes one person.


Pretty sure Thebby thinks your an ok kinda guy...but MDF still calls you a sissy behind your back

ArlJim78 09-08-2008 10:07 PM

Obama the maverick
 
Happened to stumble on this little gem, to help illustrate how little the senator has done. His senior strategist lists unamimous consent measures, not even voted upon!, as examples of how Obama stood up to his party. You can't make this stuff up.

Not Just the Most Liberal Senator
Barack Obama is perhaps also the least effective Senator. This exchange
between Chris Wallace and David Axelrod on yesterday's Fox News Sunday is
hilarious:


Fox News' Chris Wallace:
Now, David, McCain and Palin do have records of
going up against their own parties. When has Barack Obama ever gone up
against the Democratic Party in the U.S. Senate?

Obama Senior Strategist David Axelrod:
... One of the first things that
Senator Obama did when he came to the U.S. Senate was push for the most
far-reaching ethics reforms that we've seen since Watergate. That didn't
please people on either side of the aisle, and he has done that
consistently in his career. He's reached across party lines to find
consensus and he's taken on his own party on issues like, like ethics
reform. You know, what was interesting about these attacks about bipartisanship
and so on is that people like Dick Lugar, the very respected Republican
senator from Indiana, spoke out and said, These are just partisan
attacks. I've worked with Barack Obama.' They worked together on arms
control. Senator Coburn in Oklahoma worked together with him on budget
issues, like putting the budget on Google so we can see how our money is
being spent, putting caps on the contracts around Katrina rebuilding.
Senator Obama has a strong recor d of working across party lines to
produce progress for people.

Wallace:
But David, because you guys always talk about ethics
legislation and the nuclear non-proliferation deal with Dick Lugar, I
went back and looked -- both of those measures passed by unanimous
consent. They were so accepted by the Senate that there was not even a
vote.
In fact, ethics legislation was one of the campaign promises.
These were not -- if I may, if I may. These were not areas where Barack
Obama went up against the leadership of his own party nearly in the way
that John McCain did on campaign finance reform, on limiting
interrogation of terror detainees, on immigration reform. He did not go
up against his own party on either of those issues.

pgardn 09-08-2008 10:23 PM

I thought McCain and Palin mentioning taking on
Washington
during the Rep. convention with all
the Republicans delegates cheering was amusing.

Uhhh lets see, Who has controlled Washington
presidency and Congress for the last 8 and 6 years
Respectively...?

REPUBLICANS could it be.

What a joke.

geeker2 09-08-2008 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
I thought McCain and Palin mentioning taking on
Washington
during the Rep. convention with all
the Republicans delegates cheering was amusing.

Uhhh lets see, Who has controlled Washington
presidency and Congress for the last 8 and 6 years
Respectively...?

REPUBLICANS could it be.

What a joke.


As my new left wing friend GBBOB schooled me - it's called Politics :tro:

pgardn 09-08-2008 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
As my new left wing friend GBBOB schooled me - it's called Politics :tro:

Yep.
And distancing from GW...
where was he during the convention...?
Ahhh.
The hurricane.

geeker2 09-08-2008 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Yep.
And distancing from GW...
where was he during the convention...?
Ahhh.
The hurricane.


Yeah..played masterfully...and George took it like a good GOP man...and he still does. Now that's party loyality - not sure I could be so civil about it.

pgardn 09-08-2008 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
Yeah..played masterfully...and George took it like a good GOP man...and he still does. Now that's party loyality - not sure I could be so civil about it.

Loyality is probably his biggest flaw.
The friends he put in so many places
that were incompetent, or liars, or both.

He probably still has a fondness for Putin.

dalakhani 09-08-2008 11:21 PM

Why is Palin LYING about the bridge to nowhere?
 
Fact Check: Palin and the Bridge to Nowhere
9 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — A new ad from John McCain's presidential campaign contends his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere." In fact, Palin was for the infamous bridge before she was against it

THE SPIN: Called "Original Mavericks," the ad asserts the Republican senator has fought pork-barrel spending, the drug industry and fellow Republicans, reforming Washington in the process, and credits Palin with similarly changing Alaska by taking on the oil industry, challenging her own party and ditching the bridge project that became a national symbol of wasteful spending.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton came back with fighting words. "Despite being discredited over and over again by numerous news organizations, the McCain campaign continues to repeat the lie that Sarah Palin stopped the Bridge to Nowhere," he said.

Burton said McCain would merely carry on supporting President Bush's economic, health, education, energy and foreign policies, and that means "anything but change."

THE FACTS: Palin did abandon plans to build the nearly $400 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport. But she made her decision after the project had become an embarrassment to the state, after federal dollars for the project were pulled back and diverted to other uses in Alaska, and after she had appeared to support the bridge during her campaign for governor.

McCain and Palin together have told a broader story about the bridge that is misleading. She is portrayed as a crusader for the thrifty use of tax dollars who turned down an offer from Washington to build an expensive bridge of little value to the state.

"I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere," she said in her convention speech last week.

That's not what she told Alaskans when she announced a year ago that she was ordering state transportation officials to ditch the project. Her explanation then was that it would be fruitless to try to persuade Congress to come up with the money.

"It's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Palin said then.

Palin indicated during her 2006 campaign for governor that she supported the bridge, but was wishy-washy about it. She told local officials that money appropriated for the bridge "should remain available for a link, an access process as we continue to evaluate the scope and just how best to just get this done."

She vowed to defend Southeast Alaska "when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative" — something that McCain was busy doing at the time, as a fierce critic of the bridge.

Even so, she called the bridge design "grandiose" during her campaign and said something more modest might be appropriate.

Palin's reputation for standing up to entrenched interests in Alaska is genuine. Her self-description as a leader who "championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress" is harder to square with the facts.

The governor has cut back on pork-barrel project requests, but in her two years in office, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. And as mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million

dalakhani 09-08-2008 11:25 PM

did McCain actually oppose Palin earmarks? LOL
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,5932587.story

Three times in recent years, the Arizona senator's lists of 'objectionable' pork spending have included earmarks requested by his new running mate.
By Tom Hamburger, Richard Simon and Janet Hook | Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
September 3, 2008
WASILLA, ALASKA - For much of his long career in Washington, John McCain has been throwing darts at the special spending system known as earmarking, through which powerful members of Congress can deliver federal cash for pet projects back home with little or no public scrutiny. He's even gone so far as to publish "pork lists" detailing these financial favors.

Three times in recent years, McCain's catalogs of "objectionable" spending have included earmarks for this small Alaska town, requested by its mayor at the time -- Sarah Palin.

Now, McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, has chosen Palin as his running mate, touting her as a reformer just like him.

McCain has made opposition to pork-barrel spending a central theme of his 2008 campaign. "Earmarking deprives federal agencies of scarce resources, at the whim of individual members of Congress," McCain has said.



records show that Palin -- first as mayor of Wasilla and recently as governor of Alaska -- was far from shy about pursuing tens of millions in earmarks for her town, her region and her state.

This year, Palin, who has been governor for nearly 22 months, defended earmarking as a vital part of the legislative system. "The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship," she wrote in a newspaper column.

In 2001, McCain's list of spending that had been approved without the normal budget scrutiny included a $500,000 earmark for a public transportation project in Wasilla. The Arizona senator targeted $1 million in a 2002 spending bill for an emergency communications center in town -- one that local law enforcement has said is redundant and creates confusion.

McCain also criticized $450,000 set aside for an agricultural processing facility in Wasilla that was requested during Palin's tenure as mayor and cleared Congress soon after she left office in 2002. The funding was provided to help direct locally grown produce to schools, prisons and other government institutions, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group.

Wasilla received $11.9 million in earmarks from 2000 to 2003. The results of this spending are very apparent today. (The town also benefited from $15 million in federal funds to promote regional rail transportation.)

The community transit center is a landmark: a one-story, tile-fronted building with a drive-through garage. Its fleet of 10 buses provides service throughout the region. Mat-Su Community Transit Agency officials say the building was made possible with a combination of federal money and matching gifts from a private foundation.

Taylor Griffin, a McCain campaign spokesman, said that when Palin became mayor in 1996, "she faced a system that was broken. Small towns like Wasilla in Alaska depended on earmarks to take care of basic needs. . . . That was something that Gov. Palin was alarmed about and was one of the formative experiences that led her toward the reform-oriented stance that she has taken as her career has progressed."

Palin, he said, was "disgusted" that small towns like hers were dependent on earmarks.

Public records paint a different picture:

Wasilla had received few if any earmarks before Palin became mayor. She actively sought federal funds -- a campaign that began to pay off only after she hired a lobbyist with close ties to Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who long controlled federal spending as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee. He made funneling money to Alaska his hallmark.

Steven Silver was a former chief of staff for Stevens. After he was hired, Wasilla obtained funding for several projects in 2002, including an additional $600,000 in transportation funding.

That year, a local water and sewer project received $1.5 million, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, which combs federal spending measures to identify projects inserted by congressional members.

When Palin spoke after McCain introduced her as his running mate at a rally in Ohio last week, she made fun of earmarking. She said she had rejected $223 million in federal funds for a bridge linking Ketchikan to an island with an airport and 50 residents, referring to it by its derogatory label: the "bridge to nowhere."

In the nationally televised speech, she stood by McCain and said, "I've championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress thanks, but no thanks, on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said, we'd build it ourselves."

However, as a candidate for governor in 2006, Palin had backed funding for the bridge. After her election, she killed the much-ridiculed project when it became clear the state had other priorities. She said she would use the federal funds to fill those needs.

This year she submitted to Congress a list of Alaska projects worth $197.8 million, including $2 million to research crab productivity in the Bering Sea and $7.4 million to improve runway lighting at eight Alaska airports. A spokesman said she cut the original list of 54 projects to 31.

"So while Sen. McCain was going after cutting earmarks in Washington," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, "Gov. Palin was going after getting earmarks."

timmgirvan 09-09-2008 01:27 AM

Wow!....the LA slimes and the Chicago Trib....what bastions of truth and Liberty!:rolleyes:

geeker2 09-09-2008 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Loyality is probably his biggest flaw.
The friends he put in so many places
that were incompetent, or liars, or both.

He probably still has a fondness for Putin.

You forget that the Conservative Base of the GOP still loves GWB. I know from the DEM's viewpoint he is a fucl< up and from many others...but the reality is not everyone thinks he is "bad" and many in the Conservative wing are still loyal to him and his policies.

If he had showed at the RNC - he would have been well received by many in the hall.

dalakhani 09-09-2008 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2
You forget that the Conservative Base of the GOP still loves GWB. I know from the DEM's viewpoint he is a fucl< up and from many others...but the reality is not everyone thinks he is "bad" and many in the Conservative wing are still loyal to him and his policies.

If he had showed at the RNC - he would have been well received by many in the hall.

True classical conservatives HATE Bush and have since the beginning of his first term. There is this misconception that Bush is somehow a conservative and he isnt. Far from it.

The "conservatives" that you speak of that love Bush are predominantly social conversatives. Yep...NRA, anti abortion, no evolution types.

I agree...Bush would have been well recieved at the convention but thats not the reason he didnt show. The battle for this election isnt going to be won with the Bush followers. Many of those people would just as soon vote for Osama than Obama anyway. The battle will be for those middle states that feel fooled by Bush (twice no less) and want a change. That is why McCain is seperating from Bush and that is why he is going on this ridiculous "change" rant.

geeker2 09-09-2008 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
True classical conservatives HATE Bush and have since the beginning of his first term. There is this misconception that Bush is somehow a conservative and he isnt. Far from it.

The "conservatives" that you speak of that love Bush are predominantly social conversatives. Yep...NRA, anti abortion, no evolution types.

I agree...Bush would have been well recieved at the convention but thats not the reason he didnt show. The battle for this election isnt going to be won with the Bush followers. Many of those people would just as soon vote for Osama than Obama anyway. The battle will be for those middle states that feel fooled by Bush (twice no less) and want a change. That is why McCain is seperating from Bush and that is why he is going on this ridiculous "change" rant.


I think we both said the same thing..but just in a different way :wf

The word "ridiculous" will be applied only if it doesn't work - otherwise if it does it will be a :tro:

Antitrust32 09-09-2008 09:51 AM

For some reason I thought Bush spoke on Tuesday night at the RNC... am I wrong? I did not watch it tho.. just Palin and McCain.

timmgirvan 09-09-2008 10:25 AM

By remote feed, I believe....


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