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westcoastinvader 06-07-2008 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader
It was a great day to watch racing, and Big Brown was a nice story in at least a few ways.

Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Secretariat, Citation and the other Triple Crown Winners before them, would agree.

And, Jim McKay's work as narrator capsulizing "The Jewels of The Triple Crown," remains a complete work tonight.....

GBBob 06-07-2008 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader
It was a great day to watch racing, and Big Brown was a nice story in at least a few ways.

Affirmed, Seattle Slew, Secretariat, Citation and the other Triple Crown Winners before them, would agree.
I wonder if they are toasting with champagne like the '72 Dolphins..
they should be

asudevil 06-07-2008 11:46 PM
"He tried real good today, babe. He's a good horse who is always really good. He worked real good, looked real good....Nick's horse was just more good today......babe"

blackthroatedwind 06-07-2008 11:51 PM
Today was just another reminder of why this game is so phucking great.

docicu3 06-07-2008 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Today was just another reminder of why this game is so phucking great.

Agreed.....


I was curious though Andy if you saw the footage of BB losing his mind earlier in the day in his stall. He seemed incredibly rank and yet not a word from any of the heads about it.

blackthroatedwind 06-08-2008 12:00 AM
Where would I have seen the footage.

A long, hot, and eventually beautiful day.

hockey2315 06-08-2008 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by docicu3
Agreed.....


I was curious though Andy if you saw the footage of BB losing his mind earlier in the day in his stall. He seemed incredibly rank and yet not a word from any of the heads about it.
I think his ex. rider said he was rank in his last workout too. . . but nobody seemed to think it was a big deal.

GBBob 06-08-2008 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by docicu3
Agreed.....


I was curious though Andy if you saw the footage of BB losing his mind earlier in the day in his stall. He seemed incredibly rank and yet not a word from any of the heads about it.
really?

I thought he broke awkwardly , but was ok in the stall

docicu3 06-08-2008 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Where would I have seen the footage.

A long, hot, and eventually beautiful day.
Having not seen Belmont since 1989 I was assuming you saw the feed on the ABC/ESPN monitor that I saw when I happen to glance up while betting the 8th at Belmont. I assumed the simulcast monitors would have shown you what I saw. Somebody else here must have seen that clip as it was pretty scary stuff given the time and event to follow.

blackthroatedwind 06-08-2008 12:20 AM
I was at Belmont for 10 hours today in 147 degree heat and humidity.....I was lucky I wasn't halucinating.

Or....was I? Did my man Nick actually trash Big Brownout with Da Tara....or do we have a twelfth TC winner ( like a lot of former posters guaranteed )?

IrishofNDMan 06-08-2008 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by docicu3
Having not seen Belmont since 1989 I was assuming you saw the feed on the ABC/ESPN monitor that I saw when I happen to glance up while betting the 8th at Belmont. I assumed the simulcast monitors would have shown you what I saw. Somebody else here must have seen that clip as it was pretty scary stuff given the time and event to follow.
I did see that, he was going nuts in his new stall.

declansharbor 06-08-2008 12:54 AM
That was one hell of a 'foregone conclusion'...

I love the fact that Dutrow had to eat his words. The Karma Police arrested that man, he talks in maths, he buzzes like a fridge, he's like a detuned radio...

Congrats to Nick Zito and connections on playing the spoiler, again. Had BB have earned those TC victories against last year's crop, I'd have rooted for him today. I was actually in shock when Desormeux was pressing on his horse when others were sitting chilly and gaining.

_ed_ 06-08-2008 12:56 AM
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The Karma Police arrested that man, he talks in maths, he buzzes like a fridge, he's like a detuned radio...
:D
For a minute there, I lost myself.

PPerfectfan 06-08-2008 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
You cannot beat Karma. They had it coming, and its a pleasure to watch it

And somewhere -- wherever the racing gods live -- there was unabated laughter at this comeuppance. Karma's a bitch, babe, and so is the Triple Crown.

mik9872 06-08-2008 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
You cannot beat Karma. They had it coming, and its a pleasure to watch it
I guess Barbaro, Eight Bells, and countless others must have been deserving of "bad karma"

Danzig 06-08-2008 08:55 AM
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I guess Barbaro, Eight Bells, and countless others must have been deserving of "bad karma"
no, there's horrible things that happen in racing, like the above, and there's bad karma. dutrow is definitely a victim of the latter, thankfully big brown is not a victim of the former.

docicu3 06-08-2008 09:19 AM
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I guess Barbaro, Eight Bells, and countless others must have been deserving of "bad karma"

Huh??? These horses died from "excessive heart" disease a condition caused by competing to such an extreme that their lives would be the penalty. BB may have that heart but hasn't had to completely empty his tank when a result was in doubt.

Dutrow just sucks the heart from the game and all that is good about it and for that my friend eternal warmth will one day be his very own.

The next time tricky ricky wins with a horse off the claim with a 2-3 month layoff ask yourself why the price is so short and the percentage so high and you'll have your answer why Dutrow deserves to relive every moment of yesterdays 11th from Big Sandy every single day of his miserable life.

Rudeboyelvis 06-08-2008 09:25 AM
ESPN interviewed Bill Mott earlier in the day about having trained Boundary. He said that Boundary had similar foot problems and was sure that BB's issues were hereditary.

Aside from the obvious distain for the trainer/connections, the Gods may have been making a point to get the attention of the Breeders, in particular Three Chimineys, who reportedly inked a 50 million dollar agreement w/ IEAH before the race....

Sightseek 06-08-2008 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CSC
Yep The gods have spoken... I don't know about anyone else here but when Big Brown ran up on heels and threw his head on the 1st turn, you just had a premonition that it might not be his day today. Obviously this was not the Big Brown we saw today in the first 2 legs of the triple crown, for a fan the race was really anticlimatic as compared to the other failed TC crownings, I'm not dissapointed he lost I just wish it were done more on merit, that someone took it away from him, as Birdstone had, Empire Maker, Victory Gallop, Touch Gold had all done prior to today. Big Brown basically beat himself.
Exactly my same thoughts...

Rupert Pupkin 06-08-2008 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
grabbing a quarter is when a horse basically trips himself up, usually one of his back feet hitting one of his front, and possibly taking off a piece of hoof, or the shoe, in the process.
war admiraly famously grabbed a quarter in the belmont, came back to the winners circle with blood all over his underside. the injury was serious enough that they almost retired him. luckily (or else seasbiscuit might not be quite so famous) he was able to return to racing.
a quarter crack is a flaw in the hoof wall, which of course everyone probably saw on big brown-it's like a hangnail in a human, only in this case, a horse is putting about two hundred and fifty pounds on the hoof. it can get pretty serious-and a horse can lose time letting one grow out. a horses hoof is actually made of the same tissue as a fingernail-he basically stands on an evolved toe nail--horses used to have toes, now they stand on tiptoe on the one toe they have left.
I understand all that. What I was wondering is why a quarter crack is worse than a grabbed quarter. My guess is that it's not always worse. It probably just depends on the severity of each. If one horse grabs a quarter badly and takes a huge chunk out of his foot, that would probably be much worse than a minor quarter crack. But if a horse slightly grabs a quarter, that's not going to be a big deal compared to a bad quarter crack.

That would be my guess, but I'm not positive. That's why I was asking Chuck. I do know that in the case of Touch Gold as compared to BB, Hofmans said that the grabbed quarter was nothing compared to BB's quarter crack.


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