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NoChanceToDance 09-20-2007 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
well to be honest, they still have a horse in Discreet Cat who could turn out better than both. I think they've done a tremendous job with him as they were very good not to rush him into the Derby Trail and he showed what he could do last year with some magnificent races. He looks like quite a fragile horse and not many other organisations would have given him the time required to fulfill his potential and he would have retired / been injured prematurely. Sure things havent gone spot on this year, but there is certainly plenty of racing left for him and I hope he improves on last years figures and shows what a superstar he is.

Ill try not to comment on the other stuff as its been discussed quite a bit here already..

I'm pretty sure Discreet Cat will run in the BC sprint.

If i'm honest, i don't think he has a chance of winning any BC race. I don't think he will ever overcome that "problem", which he had in Dubai. It seems to have taken him much longer than they first thought. The BC os only just over one month away, it will be pushing it to get him in top shape for then.

You are far to civil, Brock....... are you sure you're Irish? :D Are you back from Oz now, fella? If so, get on the bumper horse that John Thomas rides today at Listowel.

brockguy 09-20-2007 07:31 AM

I think they really should shoot for the moon with him and run him in the Classic, but we'll sure know more next week and how he handles 6f (which I assume the Vosbourgh is?). The Sheikh already has enough indirect interests in their that I doubt he would put one of his own in to disrupte things. Plus, Godolphin were in absolutely shocking form around Dubai time and couldnt buy a win (well some havent improved), but they have looked in good form in the US this summer so Im certainly hoping for the best.

Im still in Oz at the mo. Im hoping to finally get racing here by going to Eagle Farm on Saturday, and I can assure you that Im very Irish (or at least, I can do a very good Irish accent!)

my miss storm cat 09-20-2007 09:27 AM

Check this **** out....

Maktoums' tips will be returned
Thousands intended for airport personnel who guarded planes
By Jennifer Hewlett
JHEWLETT@HERALD-LEADER.COM

MARK CORNELISON/Mark Cornelison
Mohammad bin Rashid al Maktoum. 2006 file photo by Mark Cornelison | Staff
Blue Grass Airport public safety officers will not be allowed to keep thousands of dollars in tips left for them recently for guarding planes used by members of the ruling family of Dubai, airport officials said yesterday.

At least $8,000 in cash was left as gratuities for the officers from Sheikh Mohammad bin Rashid al Maktoum, the crown prince of Dubai, and his brother, Sheikh Hamdan bin Rashid al Maktoum. That money sat in an airport safe yesterday as airport officials tried to determine how to get it back to the sheikhs.

Airport board chairman Bernie Lovely said it was his understanding that the $8,000 was in three of more than 10 envelopes given to airport personnel by representatives of the Maktoums after recent visits by the sheikhs to Central Kentucky. The three opened envelopes -- two containing $3,000 in cash each and one containing $2,000 in cash -- and the other envelopes, which have never been opened, were in the airport safe for more than a week. At one point yesterday, the envelopes were in the hands of airport attorneys, but they were put back in the safe while airport officials tried to determine what to do.

"We're supposed to contact the head of security services for the Maktoums, and that's in England," Lovely said yesterday. "We will contact them first thing in the morning."

Friday, airport public safety officers will be hearing from their bosses about why they aren't allowed to accept the money. Lovely said the airport's legal counsel advised that state law prohibits the officers from accepting gratuities while on the job at the airport.

Lovely said, as he understands the state law, the airport public safety officers could face fines ranging from $500 to $5,000, jail time and removal from office if they accepted the money; the donors could face fines ranging from $500 to $5,000 for each instance. He said he thinks the law, which is designed to prevent people from currying favor with police officers, applies to all law enforcement officers in Kentucky.

Lovely said the airport's position is that none of the officers received the money and there's no reason for anyone to believe the Maktoums and their representatives were doing "anything other than being kind."

But, he said, "It would be ultimately up to the commonwealth attorney to determine whether a crime had been committed here."

"It's unfortunate that an act of recognition for outstanding service has resulted in this story," said airport executive director Michael Gobb.

Mark Saylor, a Los Angeles-based public relations adviser for the government of Dubai, said he was unable to reach his clients for comment on the matter yesterday.

"Tipping is very much a part of Middle Eastern culture," said Jenny Sutton-Amr, executive director of the Kentucky Islamic Resource Group. She added that this is the holy month of Ramadan, which is especially a time for giving for the world's Muslims.

"It is highly encouraged to give in the month of Ramadan," she said.

"There are other people who are really rich and they give very stingy tips. I think this speaks for their (the Maktoums') generosity. ... Arab culture is very much about graciousness."

Nineteen of the airport's 20 public safety officers, including public safety chief Scott Lanter, worked a total of 138 hours in overtime from Sept. 2 to Sept. 5 and a total of 2261/2 hours in overtime from Sept. 8 to Sept. 11, to guard three United Arab Emirates planes used by the Maktoums, airport spokesman Brian Ellestad said. The overtime was mandatory, Gobb said.

"There was probably an envelope for every person that worked during the several days they (the Maktoums) were here," Lovely said. One of the opened envelopes containing $3,000 bore the name of airport operations director John Coon. An envelope containing $2,000 bore Lanter's name, according to airport officials.

The Maktoums own horse farms in Central Kentucky and often visit the area for horse sales at Keeneland. The first September visit involved a 747, the second visit involved a 747 and a 737, airport officials said.

TAC-AIR, a fixed base operator at the airport that handles accommodations for private planes, including securing hangar space, made arrangements with airport officials for the airport officers to guard the planes. Lovely said the airport sends TAC-AIR statements showing the airport's costs in such situations. He said he assumed TAC-AIR, in this case, billed or will bill the Maktoums for the security provided for their planes.

The airport also has or is to receive $3,220 in fuel flowage fees and an additional $1,000 for its portion of ground handling fees from the Maktoums' visits this month, according to airport officials.

Airport officials said that years ago, private security firms did employ off-duty airport public safety officers to guard the Maktoums' planes, and those officers received gratuities for that work. Those gratuities were legal because the officers were working for private entities, they said.

Gobb instituted a policy under which airport officers were not allowed to work for private contractors on airport property after he assumed his position at the airport about 10 years ago, airport officials said.

Airport officials said they think this year is the first year airport public safety officers have guarded the Maktoums' and other private planes since the policy was put in place. For the past nine years or so, guards hired by private security firms watched over the planes, they said.

Lovely said he understood that TAC-AIR asked the airport to provide security for the Maktoums' planes.

"They (the Maktoums) are certainly good users of our airfield," he said, "and we were pleased to be able to provide these services for them."

NoChanceToDance 09-20-2007 10:47 AM

There is too much 'red tape' in the world we live in. What is the problem with those staff being able to keep that money. It's not as if any illegal actions have taken place.

Rules are there to be broken, that's my view, anyway.

I feel very sorry for the airport staff.

NoChanceToDance 09-20-2007 11:21 AM

Why oh why did i choose today to leave my phone in the shed!

Bold Glance....... well, i sent my friend a txt this morning, and as he hadn't got back to me i just didn't think much of it.

Just found my phone, a voice mail and a txt message. Voice mail goes "sorry, mate just got home, Yes Bold Glance is an okay horse..... think he'll win today, f*** knows why Frankie is riding the other one"

txt message said........ "hope you backed Bold Glance, he won at 8/1"


:( :( :( :(


Sorry, mmsc.

my miss storm cat 09-20-2007 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Why oh why did i choose today to leave my phone in the shed!

Bold Glance....... well, i sent my friend a txt this morning, and as he hadn't got back to me i just didn't think much of it.

Just found my phone, a voice mail and a txt message. Voice mail goes "sorry, mate just got home, Yes Bold Glance is an okay horse..... think he'll win today, f*** knows why Frankie is riding the other one"

txt message said........ "hope you backed Bold Glance, he won at 8/1"


:( :(


Sorry, mmsc.

HAHAHAHA YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why are you sorry? He won! Take that, Frankie! :D

Sorry you didn't have him though.

NoChanceToDance 09-20-2007 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
HAHAHAHA YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why are you sorry? He won! Take that, Frankie! :D

Sorry you didn't have him though.

I'm sorry because if i hadn't have been such a moron i could have told you before :(

Still not quite sure why on earth Frankie chose the other one.

Spoken to my mate on the phone since, he said Bold Glance is no world beater, he's okay, but that race today was weak and Abydos isn't much good at all.

Kevin Darley is a much better jock than Frankie anyway.

I know, that would have been a very nice 8/1 winner

ArlJim78 09-20-2007 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
I'm hearing some really positive things about Bold Glance who runs on Thursday.

C'mon, Make Aussie Rules proud. :)

nice one! looks like what you heard was good information.

my miss storm cat 09-20-2007 03:21 PM

Just a reminder, the final swap window for the 7 Stars opens on Monday (... and yes i WILL keep Caradak active thank you very much). :)

He'll win a good one this year..... there's still time. :cool:

NoChanceToDance 09-20-2007 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Just a reminder, the final swap window for the 7 Stars opens on Monday (... and yes i WILL keep Caradak active thank you very much). :)

He'll win a good one this year..... there's still time. :cool:

Thanks for the heads up.......... i wouldn't have thought they would have come around so soon, so i probably would have forgotten.

No chance of me winning it anyway. Unless all my horses decide to win every Gr1 race laft in the season. :D (and judging by some of the dark horses/dogs i have picked, i can't see that happening)

NoChanceToDance 09-20-2007 03:53 PM

Just looked at my stables...........

I put Bold Glance in my "Mother's" stable...... since when has Salsa Verdi been out of training???

my miss storm cat 09-20-2007 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Thanks for the heads up.......... i wouldn't have thought they would have come around so soon, so i probably would have forgotten.

No chance of me winning it anyway. Unless all my horses decide to win every Gr1 race laft in the season. :D (and judging by some of the dark horses/dogs i have picked, i can't see that happening)

All I need is for Caradak to win a few G1's and I'm set.....

Leo entered this weekend and happy retirement to Astronomia who went out a winner!:cool: :)

NoChanceToDance 09-20-2007 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
All I need is for Caradak to win a few G1's and I'm set.....

Leo entered this weekend and happy retirement to Astronomia who went out a winner!:cool: :)

I've got 144 points in my main stable. The other two aren't doing so well, though...... 60 and 30 points only.

Desert Authority will bag me some points tomorrow.

my miss storm cat 09-20-2007 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
I think they'll send Afrashad here and hold off on Council Member.

What do you all think?

Wonder if they're still gonna send CM to the Vosburgh with Discreet Kitty. That was the plan.....

Suffolk Downs - September 22nd, 2007 - Race 9
James B. Moseley Sprint H. - Grade:
Estimated Local Post Time: 4:33 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Purse: $100,000
Distance: Six Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name
1 Safe Play (KY) 5 Gelding 113 Jose Lezcano
2 Afrashad (TX) 5 Horse 114 Richard Migliore
3 Council Member (KY) 5 Horse 117 Richard Migliore
4 Roman Candles (FL) 5 Horse 112 Willie Martinez
5 Gold and Roses (NY) 5 Gelding 115 Cornelio H. Velasquez
6 Moon's Halo (FL) 4 Colt 113 Shaun Bridgmohan
7 Thatsthe Fact Jack (FL) 6 Horse 111 David D. Amiss
8 Dominguin (PER) 5 Horse 110 Clifford D. Dooley

PP's.....

http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdfs/darley_88234.pdf

THEY'RE GONNA RUN THEM BOTH! :cool: :)

Happy retirement to Astronomia who won today like the good girl she is.

my miss storm cat 09-20-2007 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
I've got 144 points in my main stable. The other two aren't doing so well, though...... 60 and 30 points only.

Desert Authority will bag me some points tomorrow.

Kerrin has the mount on OO tomorrow.....

Hmmm.

NoChanceToDance 09-21-2007 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Kerrin has the mount on OO tomorrow.....

Hmmm.

It's Saturday, not today........ my mistake.

Yeah, i was a little surprised with that, considering how disappointing OO has been so far.

I spoke to Daragh though, and he said Newbury has always been a lucky track for him. He is coming back from his Sister's wedding to ride at Newbury.

Good luck Daragh, good luck Desert Authority.

my miss storm cat 09-21-2007 12:46 PM

Sorry but it looks like he's been scratched.....

http://www.godolphin.com/Results.aspx

NoChanceToDance 09-21-2007 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Sorry but it looks like he's been scratched.....

http://www.godolphin.com/Results.aspx


NOOOOOOOOOO!

Will try and find out, although Daragh is in Dublin now. Hmmmmmmm.

NoChanceToDance 09-21-2007 01:15 PM

Confirmed...... he doesn't run tomorrow...... I'm gutted.

If i find out he has been injured AGAIN, i will go mad

my miss storm cat 09-21-2007 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Confirmed...... he doesn't run tomorrow...... I'm gutted.

If i find out he has been injured AGAIN, i will go mad

He's entered here with about 20 others.....

http://www.timeform.com/godolphinnew...6&racenumber=4

Juror won at belmont today.:)


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