I want to bet Street Sense.......but

[RollerDoc]

After researching the field, I really want to bet on Street Sense in the Derby. My hesitation is Street Sense is a filly. When is the last time a Philly has won the Derby and how often does a filly ever win against the boys in Triple Crown Races?

[GPK]

After researching the field, I really want to bet on Street Sense in the Derby. My hesitation is Street Sense is a Philly. When is the last time a Philly has won the Derby and how often does a Philly ever win against the boys in Triple Crown Races?


huh?

[philcski]

After researching the field, I really want to bet on Street Sense in the Derby. My hesitation is Street Sense is a Philly. When is the last time a Philly has won the Derby and how often does a Philly ever win against the boys in Triple Crown Races?

A "Philly" owned and/or bred won the Derby last year, the Preakness and Belmont in 2005, and the Derby and Preakness in 2004.

If you mean a FILLY, Street Sense ain't a filly.

[RollerDoc]

I am sorry for originally spelling filly wrong which I have corrected. What else did I mess up....sorry for the confusion. I'm kind of a novice.

[ateamstupid]

What the bloody hell?

[Cajungator26]

What the bloody hell?

LOL Joey...

My reaction exactly.

[GPK]

I am sorry for originally spelling filly wrong which I have corrected. What else did I mess up....sorry for the confusion. I'm kind of a novice.


not real sure if you are serious or not...but SS is a colt...not a filly.

[ArlJim78]

DERBY FEVER!!!!!

catch it!!

[RollerDoc]

A "Philly" owned and/or bred won the Derby last year, the Preakness and Belmont in 2005, and the Derby and Preakness in 2004.

If you mean a FILLY, Street Sense ain't a filly.


Funny on clarifying Philly....good job

So Street Sense is not a filly? Now I really feel like an idiot and perhaps I shouldn't do my research during Happy Hour. Sorry for wasting everyones time :)

[Cajungator26]

Wait a minute... are we talking about GPK or Street Sense? :D

[GPK]

Wait a minute... are we talking about GPK or Street Sense? :D



:eek:

[ArlJim78]

Funny on clarifying Philly....good job

So Street Sense is not a filly? Now I really feel like an idiot and perhaps I shouldn't do my research during Happy Hour. Sorry for wasting everyones time :)
minor mistake. It could have happened to anyone.

[Cajungator26]

:eek:

HA!!! A speechless moment. I'm impressed. Be ready for more trouble tonight... :eek:

[SniperSB23]

This thread has done enough. Time to be retired directly to the Charles Hatton Reading Room.

[Indian Charlie]

i think they are aiming street sense for the oaks and street sounds for the derby.

hence the confusion

[slotdirt]

This reminds me of my first post a few years ago at ESPN where I claimed Smarty Jones wasn't a PA bred. Doh!

[my miss storm cat]

minor mistake. It could have happened to anyone.
Jim I'd really like to go out with you..... if only you were a guy...

I'm sorry... kidding.:D

Now no more capping while drinking Roller Doc!

[RollerDoc]

Jim I'd really like to go out with you..... if only you were a guy...

I'm sorry... kidding.:D

Now no more capping while drinking Roller Doc!

More embarrassing than that is I don't even drink. So I guess there is no excuse. Obviously I need to take my medication from the regulars here. If I saw this, I'd be piling on too.

Is Street Sense going to be the favorite?

[Cajungator26]

More embarrassing than that is I don't even drink. So I guess there is no excuse. Obviously I need to take my medication from the regulars here. If I saw this, I'd be piling on too.

Is Street Sense going to be the favorite?

I'd imagine he's going to be top 3...

Curlin will probably go off as the morning line favorite, although Street Sense actually deserves to.

[ateamstupid]

More embarrassing than that is I don't even drink. So I guess there is no excuse. Obviously I need to take my medication from the regulars here. If I saw this, I'd be piling on too.

Is Street Sense going to be the favorite?

Must've been the contact buzz, right? :D

No one's piling on, don't worry.

Curlin will probably be the favorite, but Street Sense should be a close second choice.

[my miss storm cat]

More embarrassing than that is I don't even drink. So I guess there is no excuse. Obviously I need to take my medication from the regulars here. If I saw this, I'd be piling on too.

Is Street Sense going to be the favorite?
I was teasing. I sure as hell don't know everything and I'd rather be wrong than to pretend to know something i don't.

We all still love you. :p

[dr. fager]

More embarrassing than that is I don't even drink. So I guess there is no excuse. Obviously I need to take my medication from the regulars here. If I saw this, I'd be piling on too.

Is Street Sense going to be the favorite?

chin up....you still made more sense than GPK and Cajun talking about English Channel and Scat Daddy....respectively

[ateamstupid]

This is the friendliest thread ever.

[RollerDoc]

I'd imagine he's going to be top 3...

Curlin will probably go off as the morning line favorite, although Street Sense actually deserves to.


Do I save any face by revealing my impressive betting record to date:

KY Derby 05 - Afleet Alex (LOST)
Preakness 05 - Afleet Alex (WIN)
Belmont 05 - Afleet Alex (WIN)

KY Derby 06- A.P Warrior (LOST BIG TIME) - what hurts more is I had Barbaro and changed at the last second.
Preakness 06 - Barbaro (CATASTROPHIC LOSS)
Breeders Cup - Invasor (WIN)

So I have bet six races in my life and have won three. 50%.....not bad.

[GPK]

This is the friendliest thread ever.


its about to turn ugly when I put a beat down on Fagers ass....:D

[GPK]

Do I save any face by revealing my impressive betting record to date:

KY Derby 05 - Afleet Alex (LOST)
Preakness 05 - Afleet Alex (WIN)
Belmont 05 - Afleet Alex (WIN)

KY Derby 06- A.P Warrior (LOST BIG TIME) - what hurts more is I had Barbaro and changed at the last second.
Preakness 06 - Barbaro (CATASTROPHIC LOSS)
Breeders Cup - Invasor (WIN)

So I have bet six races in my life and have won three. 50%.....not bad.

you related to Scavs??? He used to love that rat...:D

[brianwspencer]

its about to turn ugly when I put a beat down on Fagers ass....:D

Or when someone talks about English Channel's last major victory.

I would bring it up, but frankly, it's been so long I don't remember it.

[GPK]

Or when someone talks about English Channel's last major victory.

I would bring it up, but frankly, it's been so long I don't remember it.


and further you tumble....keep your sh*t up and you won't even be on my list:cool:

[RollerDoc]

you related to Scavs??? He used to love that rat...:D

I don't think A.P. Warrior has crossed the finish line yet.

[my miss storm cat]

This is the friendliest thread ever.
HHH can tell you there's a parallel universe and i'll bet you right now, this thread has it's opposite... filled with hatred and loathing and, and..... :D

Right, Hoffy?

[brianwspencer]

and further you tumble....keep your sh*t up and you won't even be on my list:cool:

Well lucky for you, I've demonstrated time and again that I don't choose my words based on my ranking on arbitrary homogay lists that other people make :D

Thank goodness for you I don't, or I'd really have nothing to say. Ever.

[GPK]

Well lucky for you, I've demonstrated time and again that I don't choose my words based on my ranking on arbitrary homogay lists that other people make :D

Thank goodness for you I don't, or I'd really have nothing to say. Ever.


not a prayer of that happening:rolleyes:


"I guess you are just not used to that, are ya?"

FUNNIEST MOMENT EVER in my life.

[ateamstupid]

HHH can tell you there's a parallel universe and i'll bet you right now, this thread has it's opposite... filled with hatred and loathing and, and..... :D

Right, Hoffy?

That parallel universe is where the misfits who couldn't play nice over here ended up.

[ArlJim78]

HHH can tell you there's a parallel universe and i'll bet you right now, this thread has it's opposite... filled with hatred and loathing and, and..... :D

Right, Hoffy?
is that place something like the land of the misfit toys?

[Cajungator26]

its about to turn ugly when I put a beat down on Fagers ass....:D

You? Did you read his signature?!!! :( :D

[Cajungator26]

I don't think A.P. Warrior has crossed the finish line yet.

I had him in my tri box too... what a freaking rodent. Lucky for him, he's bred somewhat similar to Bernardini (although SLOW.) He might get some decent mares booked to him.

[GPK]

You? Did you read his signature?!!! :( :D


I think we are gonna be getting a thank you card from Erin for keeping him occupied and out of her hair:D

[deltagulf]

yea i say curlin will be the fav.
but not in my book.

[skippy3481]

See thats where you are all mistaken A.P. was never in last years derby he's just pre-entered for this years, suckers he has a huge head start now......

[brianwspencer]

not a prayer of that happening:rolleyes:


"I guess you are just not used to that, are ya?"

FUNNIEST MOMENT EVER in my life.

Huh?

The good thing about your "list," is that it cuts to the core of what I am after: your approval.

Lucky for me, if you get that gig in PDX, I've got something that cuts to the core of what you're after: women. I've got lots of them. Pretty ones, too. Keep this charade up and I'm sure you'll have a great time finding a way to meet them on your own :D

[GPK]

Huh?

The good thing about your "list," is that it cuts to the core of what I am after: your approval.

Lucky for me, if you get that gig in PDX, I've got something that cuts to the core of what you're after: women. I've got lots of them. Pretty ones, too. Keep this charade up and I'm sure you'll have a great time finding a way to meet them on your own :D


HUH?? Do you not listen or read to anything I tell you?? That was the quote from work after the steam wand hiccup:D

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

HUH?? Do you not listen or read to anything I tell you?? That was the quote from work after the steam wand hiccup:D
yes like beeing the gay friend they all know is harmless.....lol

[tycharles01]

Must be Derby time, when every 5 yr old kid, 35 yr old housewife and mother of 3, or homeless guy starts to bet.

Not only BET but bet on the cutest name, prettiest horse, or my favorite the horse who everybody else is betting on.


Remember CURLIN as Fave LOL:D

[RollerDoc]

Maybe, but at least I know better than to start NFL threads on this forum. Thanks for the rude post.

[my miss storm cat]

That parallel universe is where the misfits who couldn't play nice over here ended up.
It's only fair to search out a positive in the midst of negatives though... correct?

Maybe they should be applauded for the scientific breakthrough they've achieved. I mean, even Stephen Hawking would be in awe!

Fitting so many colassal egos into such a small space? Is it science or is it art? :D

[Coach Pants]

http://www.denverbouldermusic.com/Resources/towelie.GIF

[whorstman]

http://www.denverbouldermusic.com/Resources/towelie.GIF


Yes!!!

Ahhh.... man........ I dunno what's goin on.........


Wannanget high???????

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It's only fair to search out a positive in the midst of negatives though... correct?

Maybe they should be applauded for the scientific breakthrough they've achieved. I mean, even Stephen Hawking would be in awe!

Fitting so many colassal egos into such a small space? Is it science or is it art? :D

When I read the work of some of the people who post here.....I start to feel like I'm Stephen Hawking...except of course my penis is functional and I can get up and walk and stuff.

[whorstman]

Maybe, but at least I know better than to start NFL threads on this forum. Thanks for the rude post.

Grain o salt buddy. Don't worry about nothin. If you got a question, comment, whatever. Don't hesitate to say. Most here are real cool and will answer anything you ask. You should feel welcome.... I'm glad your aboard! Jump on the Street sense bandwagon, I'll pull you on, cause it's rollin'. :cool:

[my miss storm cat]

When I read the work of some of the people who post here.....I start to feel like I'm Stephen Hawking...except of course my penis is functional and I can get up and walk and stuff.
:D

I'm really glad you shared that cause i was gonna start a thread about functionality and, well..... :p

[tycharles01]

Not being rude just funny things that happen everytime this year

[brianwspencer]

HUH?? Do you not listen or read to anything I tell you?? That was the quote from work after the steam wand hiccup:D

I drink a lot. I recall now :D

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

HHH can tell you there's a parallel universe and i'll bet you right now, this thread has it's opposite... filled with hatred and loathing and, and..... :D

Right, Hoffy?

Yeah, just mention a nice thing about a horse and then get beat down by a bunch of "outcasts". I learned my lesson well.....
I'm just sticking with the "best site" in horse racing info...on the "world wide web" ! :)

[miraja2]

This is the friendliest thread ever.
It sure is. I am actually starting to get disturbed by how friendly it is.
This thread seemed perfect for some ruthless behavior.....but none really materialized. If we have lost our ability to rip each other to shreds....I'm not even sure who we are anymore.
Could someone maybe attack ME for awhile? It would make me feel more at home here.

[jpops757]

I thoight he meant SS was fom Philly Park or Penn Nat.

[my miss storm cat]

Yeah, just mention a nice thing about a horse and then get beat down by a bunch of "outcasts".
Sorry you were pretty much alone in your battle over there.

Once it was implied i was somehow un-American for following horsies from other lands, I stopped saying anything at all.

No one noticed anyway..... they were too busy building an imaginary shrine to one who has delusions of mediocrity.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

It sure is. I am actually starting to get disturbed by how friendly it is.
This thread seemed perfect for some ruthless behavior.....but none really materialized. If we have lost our ability to rip each other to shreds....I'm not even sure who we are anymore.
Could someone maybe attack ME for awhile? It would make me feel more at home here.

I can recommend a "bad" site, I'm sure they'll take great pleasure in cutting you down if you tell them you post here.

[easy goer]

Dont you get the feeling that the rest of the field has caught up to Street Sense? Just a feeling.

In the TB Dby, AGS was running as fast, or faster, given the ground loss. And while I dont recommend AGS, there's one horse who can finish as fast as him. THen the BG; dont know what to make of it, but Dominican made up ground on him coming from behind. So perhaps a number of horses have caught up to him?

I still like him, just has me worried. The other thing that's a worry is that his style is more of a one run closer, meaning he has one burst but I dont know how far he can carry that burst. Can he carry that all the way down the long stretch at CD? If timed right maybe, but if not I dont see him as the sort who can stay out in front for very long.

[SniperSB23]

Dont you get the feeling that the rest of the field has caught up to Street Sense? Just a feeling.

In the TB Dby, AGS was running as fast, or faster, given the ground loss. And while I dont recommend AGS, there's one horse who can finish as fast as him. THen the BG; dont know what to make of it, but Dominican made up ground on him coming from behind. So perhaps a number of horses have caught up to him?

I still like him, just has me worried. The other thing that's a worry is that his style is more of a one run closer, meaning he has one burst but I dont know how far he can carry that burst. Can he carry that all the way down the long stretch at CD? If timed right maybe, but if not I dont see him as the sort who can stay out in front for very long.

I think he's been campaigned with the intent to peak on Derby Day so I don't think we've seen his best yet this year.

[miraja2]

I can recommend a "bad" site, I'm sure they'll take great pleasure in cutting you down if you tell them you post here.
I look at that place occasionally....including that ridiculous thread in which at least one member of that board actually posted that he wished a certain filly we all know developed some sort of infection.
I have no desire to post on a message board that tolerates that individual.

[easy goer]

I think he's been campaigned with the intent to peak on Derby Day so I don't think we've seen his best yet this year.

THe problem with this reasoning is How would SS know this when he gets eyeballed in the stretch by AGS? And someone's hitting him with a stick to boot?

"Umm okay, you're hitting me, and these other horses are really close by and it's my natural instinct to run fast, but Carl says to ease up a little before the wire..." :rolleyes:

[SniperSB23]

THe problem with this reasoning is How would SS know this when he gets eyeballed in the stretch by AGS? And someone's hitting him with a stick to boot?

"Umm okay, you're hitting me, and these other horses are really close by and it's my natural instinct to run fast, but Carl says to ease up a little before the wire..." :rolleyes:

I'm not an expert in training but I think the trainer can have a horse at a different fitness level for different races depending on the goals. So even if the horse is running all out he might not run as well as he would running all out with the proper fitness level which he should have on Derby Day. He also did hold on to beat AGS and that horse may very likely be the second best horse to step in the gate on Derby Day.

[Cajungator26]

Sorry you were pretty much alone in your battle over there.

Once it was implied i was somehow un-American for following horsies from other lands, I stopped saying anything at all.

No one noticed anyway..... they were too busy building an imaginary shrine to one who has delusions of mediocrity.

I was a biatch too, but decided it wasn't worth fighting with a few ignorant people.

[easy goer]

I'm not an expert in training but I think the trainer can have a horse at a different fitness level for different races depending on the goals.

I dont see it. do you have any other examples of horses and times that work like this? People say it all the time, I have not seen any evidence to back it up.

The other thing is it's hard to say how much help a jock adds to a horse. Sure a Jerry Bailey may occasionally pull out a win or hit the board when it was unlikely, but they cant account for a huge amount. Now take the trainer, that is another level back, how can he be fine tuning the horses speed if even the jock has little control?


He also did hold on to beat AGS and that horse may very likely be the second best horse to step in the gate on Derby Day.

Well it seems to me you've just contradicted your whole theory. If AGS is the second best horse, and AGS best finish was in the TB derby, then you are looking at the two best finishes of the season.

But then you say he's not fully cranked? So SS runs one of the best finishes of the season but he's not fully cranked? This makes no sense to me. I think you are looking at the best of SS in his last 3 races..

[philcski]

I dont see it. do you have any other examples of horses and times that work like this? People say it all the time, I have not seen any evidence to back it up.
The other thing is it's hard to say how much help a jock adds to a horse. Sure a Jerry Bailey may occasionally pull out a win or hit the board when it was unlikely, but they cant account for a huge amount. Now take the trainer, that is another level back, how can he be fine tuning the horses speed if even the jock has little control?




Well it seems to me you've just contradicted your whole theory. If AGS is the second best horse, and AGS best finish was in the TB derby, then you are looking at the two best finishes of the season.

But then you say he's not fully cranked? So SS runs one of the best finishes of the season but he's not fully cranked? This makes no sense to me. I think you are looking at the best of SS in his last 3 races..

Sure, Unbridled, trained by...




Carl Nafzger.

[easy goer]

Okay, but SS set a track record in the TB derby. HOw much faster could he possibly go??

[SniperSB23]

I dont see it. do you have any other examples of horses and times that work like this? People say it all the time, I have not seen any evidence to back it up.

The other thing is it's hard to say how much help a jock adds to a horse. Sure a Jerry Bailey may occasionally pull out a win or hit the board when it was unlikely, but they cant account for a huge amount. Now take the trainer, that is another level back, how can he be fine tuning the horses speed if even the jock has little control?




Well it seems to me you've just contradicted your whole theory. If AGS is the second best horse, and AGS best finish was in the TB derby, then you are looking at the two best finishes of the season.

But then you say he's not fully cranked? So SS runs one of the best finishes of the season but he's not fully cranked? This makes no sense to me. I think you are looking at the best of SS in his last 3 races..

I think it is a large part of the reason that horses often improve in their second and third starts off a layoff. Usually they come back one to two races before their main goal so aren't fully cranked until the second or third race back. Then you have a horse like Invasor who is trained to peak on BC Day come back off the layoff and fire without a problem because that race was the big goal.

The fact that he was able to beat the horse I think is the second best in the Derby field in a race he wasn't fully cranked up for tells me he may tower above this field. I don't see how I contradicted anything there.

[SniperSB23]

Okay, but SS set a track record in the TB derby. HOw much faster could he possibly go??

How many top class horses have run at Tampa Bay Downs? It isn't like he broke a record set by Secretariat.

[easy goer]

How many top class horses have run at Tampa Bay Downs? It isn't like he broke a record set by Secretariat.

well how much faster do you expect him to finish in? What did he run the final quarter in at TB? 24.3 or so? He ran the final 1/8 in 6.3 so he was tiring a little. Do you expect him to run a 24 on that surface?

WHat did he run at the BC a 24.0 or something? Obviously the inner path had some effect, how much?

so what do you expect him to close w/ next saturday? 23.6? 23.0??:confused:

[SniperSB23]

well how much faster do you expect him to finish in? What did he run the final quarter in at TB? 24.3 or so? He ran the final 1/8 in 6.3 so he was tiring a little. Do you expect him to run a 24 on that surface?

WHat did he run at the BC a 24.0 or something? Obviously the inner path had some effect, how much?

so what do you expect him to close w/ next saturday? 23.6? 23.0??:confused:

Not at ten furlongs. I think he can close as fast at ten furlongs though as he did at 8.5 which is saying a lot. Of course that totally depends on what sort of trip he gets which is a big if in a 20 horse field.

[easy goer]

perhaps a better question might be do you think he can carry that closing speed the entire stretch run? I have my doubts.

It's also interesting that the betting info we have at the moment suggests he is about 6-1 which seems somewhat lukewarm for the public's second choice. Are there enough doubts in the public eye that they see something real that would hinder him. But I dunno, is 6-1 really luke warm. SNS was what 5-1 and Barbaro 7-1? Maybe it's reasonable odds for SS..

[ateamstupid]

perhaps a better question might be do you think he can carry that closing speed the entire stretch run? I have my doubts.

It's also interesting that the betting info we have at the moment suggests he is about 6-1 which seems somewhat lukewarm for the public's second choice. Are there enough doubts in the public eye that they see something real that would hinder him. But I dunno, is 6-1 really luke warm. SNS was what 5-1 and Barbaro 7-1? Maybe it's reasonable odds for SS..

It's a wide open Derby, and everyone knows it. If Curlin hadn't aired in the Arkansas Derby and Street Sense hadn't run a 93 in the Blue Grass, Street Sense would be around 4/1 if not lower.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

It's a wide open Derby, and everyone knows it. If Curlin hadn't aired in the Arkansas Derby and Street Sense hadn't run a 93 in the Blue Grass, Street Sense would be around 4/1 if not lower.
[SIZE="7"]its a celebration bitches !! street is a solid play eyes on the prize ..look at the str run at oaklawn ..tell me calvin didnt want to go....SIZE]

[GenuineRisk]

Once it was implied i was somehow un-American for following horsies from other lands, I stopped saying anything at all.

Yeah, I've been meaning to ask you why you hate our lasix, er, freedom.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

I look at that place occasionally....including that ridiculous thread in which at least one member of that board actually posted that he wished a certain filly we all know developed some sort of infection.
I have no desire to post on a message board that tolerates that individual.


Yes...that's the one that really upset me :mad:
they'll be eating crow when that horse is in the winner's circle! :D

[my miss storm cat]

Yeah, I've been meaning to ask you why you hate our lasix, er, freedom.


أنت هنا:القائمة الرئيسيةالأخبارآخر الأخبارفريق جودلفين يواصل دعمه السخي لجوائز العاملين بالإسطبلات ويعزز قيمتها المالية
الأخبارآخر الأخبار
أرشيف الأخبارملامح إطبع هذه الصفحة أرسل هذه الصفحة بالبريد الإلكتروني
فريق جودلفين يواصل دعمه السخي لجوائز العاملين بالإسطبلات ويعزز قيمتها المالية
:D

[Dunbar]

أنت هنا:القائمة الرئيسيةالأخبارآخر الأخبارفريق جودلفين يواصل دعمه السخي لجوائز العاملين بالإسطبلات ويعزز قيمتها المالية
الأخبارآخر الأخبار
أرشيف الأخبارملامح إطبع هذه الصفحة أرسل هذه الصفحة بالبريد الإلكتروني
فريق جودلفين يواصل دعمه السخي لجوائز العاملين بالإسطبلات ويعزز قيمتها المالية
:D

Ha! Now we'll probably have someone from Homeland Security monitoring the site! They'll be looking for coded messages in "Any Given Saturday", "Storm In May", "Reporting For Duty"...

--Dunbar

[my miss storm cat]

Ha! Now we'll probably have someone from Homeland Security monitoring the site! They'll be looking for coded messages in "Any Given Saturday", "Storm In May", "Reporting For Duty"...

--Dunbar
Well if they do I shall happily explain that Mofraji is Iffraaj's little brother and I wanted to see his name in Arabic and it says.....

GODOLPHIN GUINEAS HOPES

Godolphin has three horses still in Britain's first Classic of the year, the Stan James 2,000 Guineas at Newmarket on Saturday, May 5, following the forfeit stage. :p

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

[SIZE="7"]its a celebration bitches !! street is a solid play eyes on the prize ..look at the str run at oaklawn ..tell me calvin didnt want to go....SIZE]
LET THIS BE A LESSON..LISTEN TO BYK..